2006 Ms. Olympia

[Eddie]

Who do you all think will be some favorites to win this year??

My pick is Iris Kyle to win.

Top 5 contenders joining her are as follows...

1.Yaxeni Oriquen
2.Dayana Cadeau
3.Bonny Priest
4.Gina Davis (I personally hopes she wins)
5.Jitka Harazimova

[BuffDiva]

4.Gina Davis (I personally hopes she wins) Did she get a special invite? She hasn't done her pro debut yet. That would be waaaaaay too cool!! Have always loved her look. So sorry she got injured because I truly saw her being top 3 by now.

[cbdetroit]

As for me myself I would have to go with either Yaxeni Oriquen because I've met her twice in person at the 2002 & 2006 Arnolds, Gina Davis or Bonnie Priest all becuase of their Symmetry & Proportion.

These Women are living proof that the overly bulky humongous massive look is played out and Aesthetic Detail is in.

But over the next couple of years the scenario could change because since the decade began, you really haven't had too much repeat champions at the Ms. Olympia like it was back in the 1980s & 1990s which is Good for the sport.

[Eddie]

CBDetroit

I agree with you about the bulkiness being played out.

Although some would consider Yaxeni to be a rather large girl :o

She is phenominal though.

As far as repeat champs, I'd say girls like Rachel McLish and Cory Everson were deserving of it. The rest is certainly questionable.

I definately feel that the G-Force - Gina Davis is the wave of the future.

She is just too awesome. Can get up to 190lbs. and still look hot. :1eek:

That's another reason why the ladies should be respected more than the men.

They keep themselves in MUCH BETTER shape in the offseason.
Which makes them more enjoyable to see guest posing.

[cbdetroit]

Actually Eddie, Ms. Olympia Yaxeni Oriquen has told me that she was 172lbs at the Arnolds this past March and up close (to me) when I saw her at the Veterans Memorial Auditorium as well as over at the Arnold Fitness Expo she looked more like weighed at least 140 - 146 or 148lbs (low body fat).

She was very Beautiful, Lean and posessed "Ripped to Shreds" without sacrificing her Femininity the way I LOVE it. On a normal Woman that would be considered very Fat & Obese but because of her being tall & a Bodybuilder definitely proves a point that Bodybuilding brings a Good illusion.

A lot of folks including yours truly was glad when she won last year because Yaxeni has Large following and just like Cory Everson & Lenda Murray is very well Liked & Respected in the sport today. Women like them make proud to be a fan of the sport.

So far the way some folks as well as the Bodybuilding Media has been making a big whoopedoo out of the situation, it seems as if they want to turn this Iris/Yaxeni situation into the Lenda/Laura Creavalle show like it was back in the early 1990s.

But like I said before unlike back in the 80s & 90s when you had 1 person dominate for a Good part of the decade, the 2000s have proved differently since Kim Chizvesky's retirement from pro Bodybuilding.

Different Women have held the title of Ms. Olympia in this decade and only Lenda Murray has only had the overall title twice & Juliette Bergmann has won the Lightweight title twice as well.

But as this fall it could be a different story if either Iris or Yaxeni were to win the overall title.

[cbdetroit]

Also Eddie unlike some of the posters who LOVE the HUGE BULKY Gals, If you look at Gina, Bonnie & Yaxeni as well as Lisa Aukland, Betty Pariso even the new Generation of our Heroes like Amanda Dunbar & Sarah Dunlap, Symmetry & Proportion rules big time.

Hopefully this fall the IFBB/NPC 20% reduction ruling will prevail again this fall so that more Women can enter the sport plus also seeing somemore crossovers from Fitness & Figure over to Bodybuilding that would be nice.

If everyone could remember what Gina looked liked at the 2003 & 2004 NPC Nationals when she won the Heavyweight & Overall Women's Bodybuilding Title & How Bonnie looked at the 2003 USAs when she turn pro, then you'll see what I'm talking about as opposed to their off-season looks.

I'm glad that I've got the chance to see Bonnie posed at the final posedown at the Ms. International along with Iris, Yaxeni & Betty and I'll tell you that Bonnie looks so Beautifully Lean Ripped and Sexy that she's also the one to look out for as well.

Beyond that may the best Woman win.

[Eddie]

CBDetroit

All great points again my man. Yaxeni's height does help her tower over the competition.

I'm with you on the Figure gals crossing over to bodybuilding where they belong. I wish "Figure" was never created. Too lame and boring for me to sit through that. Besides beauty pagents ARE NOT real sports.

Bonny will certainly become a top fan favorite real quickly.
She's the total package.

And with Amanda and Sarah it won't be long before they start headlining
the Olympia as well. They both have increadible structures.

Far as the IFBB and their rules go....they can just take them and shove 'em.

Can't take what they say seriously anyhow...they always changing it.
Bunch of Idiots. :mad: I can't see how the athletes put up with them.

[cbdetroit]

Eddie I could understand that since last year some folks don't like the 20% reduction ruling but there's a purpose behind it.

Up in the late 90s the Women Bodybuilders were gaining very big and the judges gave in to pressure to the fans of FBBs with extreme bulked up builds that made it bad for any Good Symmetrical Bodybuilders to start competing and that's one of the reasons that you started seeing Female Bodybuilding losing their audience to as well as the contest promoters, sponsors & Magazine Publishers to have "figure" on the brains.

The main reason for the 20% ruling is to reverse that trend and to help keep the Aesthetic Detail Factor into Women's Amateur & Pro Bodybuilding & Fitness. So far from the 2004 NPC Nationals thru the present on the Amateur side as well as the 2005 Ms. International thru the present in the Pros is living proof of that.

Plus if you and the other posters noticed that most of the top 6 finalists on a National/International Amateur & Pro Level contests that posess "Ripped to Shreds" Vascular Symmetry place higher than those who are Massively Bulky (And this includes all weight classes).

I will also say in fairness that the powers that be who run the IFBB/NPC should enforce this rule with Male Bodybuilders equally as well as with their Female counterparts.

In conclusion Eddie, (and I've mentioned this in the 2005 USA thread) I don't have a problem with the 20% ruling just as long as the judges stick with the rules and don't flip-flop between standards then it's all Good but if they did then people will be mad besides the folks in the audience.

Plus some other factors would help out like mandatory drug testing for both the Male & Female athletes as well as using different judges at different contests who are not biased but are fair & impartial.

A level playing field is very important at an Athletic contest.

[Eddie]

Hey your preaching to the choir here bro.

I've been saying all that for the longest.

I have no problem with the 20% stuff - its everything else.

Did you say flip-flop?? Ha Ha, that's what the IFBB is all about.

Hell it might be their motto. They need to change the contest format too.

I don't care to follow the males very much, but I'm well aware how out of control they are, and its far worst than the ladies.

[Gina Davis]

You guys are great!!! Thanks for lifting my spirits high when my carbs are so low! LOL! Yea, had a little delay due to the ol' bicep, but am back on track and FOCUSED like no other time I can think of. Look out Europa, I'm comin'!!! To be anywhere in the vicinity of the Olympia stage would be a dream come true...time will tell.

Thanks again y'all,
G

[ricard]

Dont know if Gina can/will compete in 2006 Olympia.
But if I was Yaxeni I would be more than worried.
We usually speak about G's arms but actually for me her strong points are her muscle tie-inns around the trap/shoulder and bi/tricep area. In addition she has plenty size but it does not detract from her femininity.
Does anyone know what the diffrence in height is between these 2 athletes?
Ricard

[Procarri]

I believe Yaxeni is 5'6 or 5'7. G is 5'5 1/2.

I have to say that stage presence plays a great part in this sport, lots of girls have it, but a handful hold your attention. JMO, Gina will hold the attention of onlookers at the Europa. She has made awesome changes to her physique even with rehabing the injury. Her debut is one many have been waiting on and will not be disappointed come August. I myself believe her invite to the Ms. Olympia will soon be in the mail!

I look forward to attending my first Ms. Olympia!

[ricard]

I believe Yaxeni is 5'6 or 5'7. G is 5'5 1/2.

I have to say that stage presence plays a great part in this sport, lots of girls have it, but a handful hold your attention. JMO, Gina will hold the attention of onlookers at the Europa. She has made awesome changes to her physique even with rehabing the injury. Her debut is one many have been waiting on and will not be disappointed come August. I myself believe her invite to the Ms. Olympia will soon be in the mail!

I look forward to attending my first Ms. Olympia!
Thanks for the info. I know what you are talking about onstage presence. It is definately a hard to explain factor.
Now I am tempted to go to the O again ..or maybe the Europa. :)
Ricard

[cbdetroit]

You guys are great!!! Thanks for lifting my spirits high when my carbs are so low! LOL! Yea, had a little delay due to the ol' bicep, but am back on track and FOCUSED like no other time I can think of. Look out Europa, I'm comin'!!! To be anywhere in the vicinity of the Olympia stage would be a dream come true...time will tell.

Thanks again y'all,
GNow Gina, you're my Hero and I'm glad to lift your spirits up anytime.

Major Love, Props & Respect to you, Cari Ledford, Sherry Smith, Shannon Young (aka The Body Tech Crew) and a big respect to whoever trains you that bring you Ladies physique's to the Peak of perfection.

I hope that you'll also will be competing at the next Ms. International as well that would be cool as well.

[cbdetroit]

And also everybody who's planning on attending the Ms. Olympia & other Bodybuilding contests out there make sure to check out the thread "Posing Music for Bodybuilding, Fitness & Figure Contests" so you could let your feeling show and let folks know what type of music you would like to see your favorite athletes perform their posing routines to.

And the link to that thread is:

http://www.ftppv.com/ftvideo/showthread.php?p=20487#p

So go ahead and HOLLER!! And to anyone's who's competing, Gene gave a Good reference to a DJ that's pretty Good with hooking up some Excellent posing Music for the Athletes so go ahead and check out the link. Thanks, Peace.:dj_spnnin:)

[Mike]

Are the Europa and the Atlantic City shows the only women's qualifiers this year? It's been said before but the women really need more qualifying shows.

[cbdetroit]

Yeah I've heard through the grapevine that there are 2 more Olympia qualifiers for Women Bodybuilders: The Europa Sports Show & the Atlantic City (or New Jersey) Pro Show.

No Hating or Disrespect to the Figure gals, they're Attractive but it sucks that the people in charge had given them more Olympia Weekend qualifiers than both the Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women.

Hopefully they will correct that mistake for next year's pro contest season, plus more Women need to go out there and compete once they get their pro cards because you have some Women that once they turned pro they completely disappear from the scene which makes no sense since they've worked so hard to get to that point.

As far as I'm concerned the IFBB needs to bring back the Pro Worlds, Jan Tana, Women's Pro Extravaganza, GNC Show of Strength & The Charlotte Pro Show.

Plus I'm also I agree with Mark000 that "The Powers That Be" needs to bring back weight classes (including the overall Champion) back to the sport so there will be more of a Level Playing Field and more good potential Women Bodybuilders would compete once they turn pro.

And I'm talking 3 or 4 weight classes (Lightweight, Middleweight, Light-Heavyweight & Heavyweight) including the Overall Champion.

This same concept could work for Men's Bodybuilding as well since folks on various Message Boards have complained of the same thing during the Olympia Weekend. I've seen the article on this a couple of months ago in an issue of MuscleMag International.

During contest time a more Level Playing Field is needed and again overall bulky Mass should be played out.

Symmetry & Proportion needs to rule at this contest just like it does at the Arnold Fitness Weekend.

[cbdetroit]

Whoa there cowboy, I think I have to say Nay to that idea.

Weight classes only cause more confusion and creates excessive competition.
And besides, you know the bigger athlete will always win in the end.
That's just the way the IFBB works, and that needs to change too.

Plus there needs to be just ONE true champion!!

I'm in agreement though on everything else you said.Actually if you were to read what I've said I was talking about weight class winners as well as an OVERALL CHAMPION becuase it's true that you have to have the overall winner plus it doesn't lead to any confusion at all.

If Mark000 was here he could explain the situation much better than I would.

With Multiple weight classes in the pros, you'll be able to have more Women competing because some of the FBBs that I've talked to by E-mail (I'm not giving any names) liked the concept and it would give the Women in the lower weight classes to compete at their comfortable weight without having to put on excessive pounds and ruining their overall Symmetry just to get the overall prize from the big gals. But again we shall see what's up come this fall.

Will the 20% rule prevail or will the judges "flip-flop" and go back to the old standards? Stay Tuned.

[cbdetroit]

Plus the way the trends are heading, both the Middleweights & Light-Heavyweights are leading the way in which Women's Bodybuilding is headed within the next couple of years.

And I'm looking forward to see those positive changes spread throughout the other weight classes and Fitness Women from the US as well.

But as far as athletes from Canada & elsewhere that might be a different story.

Just in Canada alone with the exception of FBBs like Christine Roth, Autumn Raby & Sophie Duquette, (and no disrespect but,) I noticed the judges or the Canadian Equivalent of the NPC seem to favor the huge bulky FBBs, Fitness & Figure gals as opposed to the softer toned down look that the judges as well as the NPC have here in the states.

Can anybody could give an honest explanation on that situation? Please let me know.

[Eddie]

Actually if you were to read what I've said I was talking about weight class winners as well as an OVERALL CHAMPION becuase it's true that you have to have the overall winner plus it doesn't lead to any confusion at all.

If Mark000 was here he could explain the situation much better than I would.

With Multiple weight classes in the pros, you'll be able to have more Women competing because some of the FBBs that I've talked to by E-mail (I'm not giving any names) liked the concept and it would give the Women in the lower weight classes to compete at their comfortable weight without having to put on excessive pounds and ruining their overall Symmetry just to get the overall prize from the big gals. But again we shall see what's up come this fall.

Will the 20% rule prevail or will the judges "flip-flop" and go back to the old standards? Stay Tuned.

When I said ONE true champion - I meant one champion of the entire event.

You don't have that with a so-called "overall champion" because that person
has not been compared with everyone in the contest. So you would only be
assuming that she is better than everyone without any actual proof.

Really it makes it more like a playoff elimination tournament like in football,basketball, and baseball. Narrowing it down to the final four from certain divisions.

And with ladies putting on excessive size to compete with bigger ladies.
I did say its something that needs to change too. It should not be about who's the same size or same weight, it should be about who's has the total package.

If a competitor who is 5'0 120lbs. has a better combination of symmetry,development, and definition than someone who's 6'0 170lbs. than that person should be declaired the better athlete and finish higher in the standings.

So bottom line to the entire argument is that the IFBB is screwed up.
Their rules and standards are flaud and needs a major overhaul.

I'd bet those same athletes who told you they prefer weight classes
would totally agree with me on the rules in general.

And if another organization had better rules in play, those ladies would
jump ship in a New York minute.

[muscles_1976]

Gina Davis is a shoo-in, I had the opportunity to visit with Gina last week, and you can not believe!!!! how awesome the girl is already with 7 more weeks to go....I only wish I could be in texas for her pro debut! G will rock the house no doubt :banana: :banana: if she's goin' to the olympia, so am I :o , you couldn't pay me to miss that one

you really have to see her workout in person to even fathom the intensity at she trains with, I was lucky enough to have a front-row seat lol

awesome

good luck G

HP

[cbdetroit]

When I said ONE true champion - I meant one champion of the entire event.

You don't have that with a so-called "overall champion" because that person
has not been compared with everyone in the contest. So you would only be
assuming that she is better than everyone without any actual proof.

Really it makes it more like a playoff elimination tournament like in football,basketball, and baseball. Narrowing it down to the final four from certain divisions.

And with ladies putting on excessive size to compete with bigger ladies.
I did say its something that needs to change too. It should not be about who's the same size or same weight, it should be about who's has the total package.

If a competitor who is 5'0 120lbs. has a better combination of symmetry,development, and definition than someone who's 6'0 170lbs. than that person should be declaired the better athlete and finish higher in the standings.

So bottom line to the entire argument is that the IFBB is screwed up.
Their rules and standards are flaud and needs a major overhaul.

I'd bet those same athletes who told you they prefer weight classes
would totally agree with me on the rules in general.

And if another organization had better rules in play, those ladies would
jump ship in a New York minute. For a fan like myself as well as other FBBs that I've spoken to by E-mail last year as well as this year was dissapointed that the Federation eliminated Multiple weight class & the overalls Eddie.

And like I said before if you were to have a level playing field (and you could also include drug-testing as well) then it would be a whole different ballgame. But if the rules are not enforced then oh well back to business as usual and the Huge Bulky Non-Symmetrical FBBs would be on top.

And by the way since the posting that I've put has been edited and chopped up I wanted to find out why is it when other Countries choose Larger Heavilly Muscled Women vs. The Symmetrically Proportionate FBBs & Fitness Women we have here in the States, could someone answer the question without chopping up what I've said, Thanks. :)

[genex]

So the website has been revamped and one thing that I like is that the men's prejudging is being held with the women's finals. Primarily this will bring a larger audience to the show, although it means we gotta fight for space with more people, but at least it's mixing it up a bit.

Here's the site: http://www.mrolympia.com/msolympia.htm

gene

[Echo]

The table has been set and dinner is about to be served as we await bodybuilding's most prestigious professional contest. As we await the contest there may be many of you who have thoughts about how this contest is going to turn out.

So, now is the time to give the bodybuilding world your predictions. Tell us who your favorite(s) athletes are and tell us why. Give us your predictions. If you have any inside information on how some of the competitors are going to perform, give it up.

To get the ball rolling, I will offer my predictions for the top 6 finishers in the Ms. Olympia Bodybuilding Contest:

1. Iris Kyle
2. Yaxeni Oriquen
3. Dayana Cadeau
4. Jitka Harazimova
5. Bonny Priest
6. Lisa Aukland

Now it's your turn.....

[mark000]

So the website has been revamped and one thing that I like is that the men's prejudging is being held with the women's finals. Primarily this will bring a larger audience to the show, although it means we gotta fight for space with more people, but at least it's mixing it up a bit.

Here's the site: http://www.mrolympia.com/msolympia.htm

gene


I hate to disagree with Gene, but NOOOO! :banghead:

There are two possibilities:

1) Then men are first, and we have to sit through the men's prejudging before they start the women's finals. It will be too dark to read and too loud to listen to our own music. We will need to sit through the whole thing to be in position to make a dash for the good seats when the mens fans leave.

2) If the women are first, mens fans will hog most of the good seats, and people who don't pay $600 for VIP tickets are screwed.

[cbdetroit]

First of all on the Men's side it's pretty much the Ronnie & Jay show whether Ronnie Coleman beats Lee Haney's record of 8 Mr. Olympia wins or not still that's where the buzz is going.

Then on the Women's side it's pretty much between Iris Kyle, Yaxeni Oriquen, & Dayana Cadeau unless there is an "X" Factor in the mix, one of those three Ladies will be taking home the Ms. Olympia crown.

On the Fitness side it's going to be between Adela Garicia, Kim Klein, & Jenny Hendershott unless again the "X" Factor then one of those three Ladies will be taking Home the Fitness Olympia crown.

For Figure well Davana Medina (I think that's her name) Jenny Lynn & Monica Brant are the top choices again unless there's an "X" factor to stir things up to shock the audience then one of those three would be taking home the Figure Olympia crown.

That's my take on the subject on how things might go down at the Olympia Weekend in Las Vegas, NV. If anyone else who wants to elaborate on that then feel free because inquiring minds would like to know, Peace.:)

P.S. I'm Glad that the Ms. Olympia is back on the mainstage (instead of the Expo) with the other divisions where they belong.

[mark000]

I am not interested in predicting whom the judges will favor, but I can name some of the most completely and proportionately developed physiques.

One thing I will say for the IFBB is that having athletes go out in alphabetical order is a good idea, though I prefer first names which change much less frequently. So in alphabetic order:

ANNIE!
IRIS!
LISA!
YAXENI!

also, if she comes in with her legs tight, HEATHER!

Bonny always has great conditioning, excellent development, but i don't think her structure is on their level. Jitca and Brenda have outstanding structures, but have not yet shown the highest level of development and conditioning.
Helen is huge, fully developed, well defined, but may not be quite as elegantly sculpted as the top group.

The remainder have sensational assets but are not at the top level in some areas. Rather than say anything negative, we could list only their competitive features. Dayana, for example, though the judges like her, has great legs, a magnificent back, a beautiful face, and has come in sensational condition. Period. A stunning package, but not a complete package on this level.

BTW the list on the Olympia site does not yet reflect the Atlantic City results.
The complete list (by last name) should be:
Lisa Aukland
Helen Bouchard
Dayana Cadeau
Heather Foster
Jitka Harazimova
Iris Kyle
Gayle Moher
Colette Nelson
Yaxeni Oriquen
Betty Pariso
Bonny Priest
Brenda Raganot
Annie Rivieccio
Dena Westerfield

[cbdetroit]

Hey Mark, hopefully by next year if the IFBB would give the Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women more contests as well as to bring back Mutliple weight classes including the Overall Champion, then hopefully the number of competitors at the Olympia Weekend will grow. Wouldn't you agree?:)

[mark000]

1) A look at the Ms O field, mostly HWs, shows the difficulty even top level smaller women have competing with much bigger athletes of similar quality.
Multiple classes also allows the IFBB to reward different styles of physique: both the huge and awesome ones like Yaxeni and Iris, and more graceful, elegant ones like Brenda Raganot.

2) There were a number of excellent smaller women at the Atlantic City show. Gayle got through, she is such a fantastic performer and just explodes when she flexes. But Tonia Villalobos, one of the best small FBBs ever, got relegated to the DNP group despite the fact that she has a back like Tazzie, legs like Betty Viana, better biceps than either of them, and her parts fit together elegantly. It is impossible for judges to pay adequate attention to everyone in a field of over 20. Even I didn't fully appreciate how good she is until a photo shoot the next day.

3) Someone, maybe Eddie, said weight classes would create confusion. The opposite is true, see point 2. And it may not even be possible to be more confused than the judges at the Europa :3stooges:

As for the argument that you need 1 class to establish an overall champion, that is refuted by the fact that the judges only compare groups of 5. At the recent pro shows, Jana, despite her outstanding physique, never got a chance to go up against the judges preferred group. She was sent to the DNP group, maybe because her tan wasn't dark enough.
I don't think tan is quite as important as biceps, triceps, delts, lats, pecs, abs, quads, hamstrings, or calves, but in a big field it is an easy way for judges to sort out the field's "contest readiness" before even looking at them.

4) More than 5 pro women in a show deserve the honor of a high placing. The great Marja Lehtonen said on her website that her third place in the Ms O LW class was a career highlight for her.

[cbdetroit]

Here we go again with editing on part of what I've said instead of quoting the whole thing,LOL. Don't get me wrong Ed, I know that this is a Ms. Olympia thread, but you also have folks that check out the whole Olympia Weekend since the 1990s (with the exception in 1998 & 1999 when the Ms. Olympia was in New Jersey, & I believe in either in Hungary or the Chez Republic, the Fitness Olympia was in France in 1998) And all of this took place before the creation of the Pro Figure Division). But I'll tell you what Ed, I'll leave the General Olympia coverage to someone else on another thread, capishe?

Other than that I've agreed with what Mark000 has to say about weight classes which is so true. But instead of 2 weight classes & the overall champion, I would go with 3 weight classes & the overall champion which in my opinion would work out very well for further proof, just check out the Jan Tana from 2000 to 2003 which is a very Good example, wouldn't you agree Mark000?:)

[cbdetroit]

1) A look at the Ms O field, mostly HWs, shows the difficulty even top level smaller women have competing with much bigger athletes of similar quality.
Multiple classes also allows the IFBB to reward different styles of physique: both the huge and awesome ones like Yaxeni and Iris, and more graceful, elegant ones like Brenda Raganot.

2) There were a number of excellent smaller women at the Atlantic City show. Gayle got through, she is such a fantastic performer and just explodes when she flexes. But Tonia Villalobos, one of the best small FBBs ever, got relegated to the DNP group despite the fact that she has a back like Tazzie, legs like Betty Viana, better biceps than either of them, and her parts fit together elegantly. It is impossible for judges to pay adequate attention to everyone in a field of over 20. Even I didn't fully appreciate how good she is until a photo shoot the next day.

3) Someone, maybe Eddie, said weight classes would create confusion. The opposite is true, see point 2. And it may not even be possible to be more confused than the judges at the Europa :3stooges:

As for the argument that you need 1 class to establish an overall champion, that is refuted by the fact that the judges only compare groups of 5. At the recent pro shows, Jana, despite her outstanding physique, never got a chance to go up against the judges preferred group. She was sent to the DNP group, maybe because her tan wasn't dark enough.
I don't think tan is quite as important as biceps, triceps, delts, lats, pecs, abs, quads, hamstrings, or calves, but in a big field it is an easy way for judges to sort out the field's "contest readiness" before even looking at them.

4) More than 5 pro women in a show deserve the honor of a high placing. The great Marja Lehtonen said on her website that her third place in the Ms O LW class was a career highlight for her.Thanks Mark000 for telling it like it is Good Buddy. :)

[jude 2]

I am not interested in predicting whom the judges will favor, but I can name some of the most completely and proportionately developed physiques.

One thing I will say for the IFBB is that having athletes go out in alphabetical order is a good idea, though I prefer first names which change much less frequently. So in alphabetic order:

ANNIE!
IRIS!
LISA!
YAXENI!

also, if she comes in with her legs tight, HEATHER!

Bonny always has great conditioning, excellent development, but i don't think her structure is on their level. Jitca and Brenda have outstanding structures, but have not yet shown the highest level of development and conditioning.
Helen is huge, fully developed, well defined, but may not be quite as elegantly sculpted as the top group.

The remainder have sensational assets but are not at the top level in some areas. Rather than say anything negative, we could list only their competitive features. Dayana, for example, though the judges like her, has great legs, a magnificent back, a beautiful face, and has come in sensational condition. Period. A stunning package, but not a complete package on this level.

BTW the list on the Olympia site does not yet reflect the Atlantic City results.
The complete list (by last name) should be:
Lisa Aukland
Helen Bouchard
Dayana Cadeau
Heather Foster
Jitka Harazimova
Iris Kyle
Gayle Moher
Colette Nelson
Yaxeni Oriquen
Betty Pariso
Bonny Priest
Brenda Raganot
Annie Rivieccio
Dena WesterfieldTazzie leaves tomorrow for the O. Just didn't see her name. I will be meeting her there Thursday.

[mark000]

Oops!
Yes, Tazzie had to qualify twice - first in Dallas. where the judges were confused, and then again in Jersey.

The complete list (by last name) should be:
Lisa Aukland
Helen Bouchard
Dayana Cadeau
Tazzie Colomb
Heather Foster
Jitka Harazimova
Iris Kyle
Gayle Moher
Colette Nelson
Yaxeni Oriquen
Betty Pariso
Bonny Priest
Brenda Raganot
Annie Rivieccio
Dena Westerfield

[bthomas77]

to all of you traveling to Vegas, i pray safe travels, and wonderful weekends.

[kdbrit]

1) Iris Kyle
2) Yaxeni
3) Dayana

It would be nice to see Dayana win, but her height will keep her from being Ms. Olympia in the judges eyes, NOT MINE!

[ripitupbaby]

1) Yaxeni
2) Iris
3) Dayana
4) Jitka
5) Lisa
6) Annie

Good luck to everyone!!!
:sprite10:

[CalJoe]

1. Iris
2. Yaxeni
3. Jitka
4. Dayana
5. Lisa A.
6. Bonny

[Mike]

Ditto to CalJoe though I might swap Lisa A and Dayana.

[Michelle Brent]

Bill and I purchased webcast, so I will definitely have play by play!!

[sjf450]

Have they done the webcast before? If so can anyone who has seen it in previous years state if it is worth purchasing?

[CalJoe]

Ditto to CalJoe though I might swap Lisa A and Dayana.
You never know. I wouldn't be surprised to see Lisa ahead of Dayana, especially the way she looked at the Atlantic City show.

[Maxt]

I think Lisa Aukland is peaking at the right time, Yaxeni Oriquen is coming on strong and will be hard to beat. I am curious to see how Dena Westerfield does this time, She's really been improving.

[Maxt]

Hey Mark, hopefully by next year if the IFBB would give the Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women more contests as well as to bring back Mutliple weight classes including the Overall Champion, then hopefully the number of competitors at the Olympia Weekend will grow. Wouldn't you agree?:)Yes Chris, I would agree. I once attended a Ms. Olympia with 20 competitors when it was still in New York City. Count Gayle Moher in. I've been told she's got her invitation.

[Brandi Burns]

Good luck Betty!

Good luck Helen!

[Michelle Brent]

I'm on my way to the prejudge via webcast, I'll keep everybody updated.
Say is Gene and James there??

[gymdiva1222]

I know James is there and I would imagine Gene is, too...


and yes Michelle, definitely keep us updated! I'm super anxious to hear how every female, regardless of category, does this weekend!

[rick]

Anyone knows what shes up to? Has been quiet long now...

[hans]

First call out: Dayana, Iris, Bonny, Annie.
Hans

[hans]

Bonny is the big surprise and looks the leanest. Iris is in incredible shape as usual. Yaxeni looks off her usual condition.

Hans

[Mike]

Damn no Yax called out.

[hans]

For the second comparison they put Iris back in line, and called out Betty and Lisa. So could be Iris has it....

Hans

[hans]

Damn no Yax called out.

Yep that's the big surprise for sure. They just called her out for the 3rd comparison with Helen, Jitka and Gayle.

Hans

[femalemusclefan]

First call out: Dayana, Iris, Bonny, Annie.
Hans

Forgive me if this is a stupid question!
But what exactly is a first call out? :confused:
Are these the athletes that have a chance of winning the show?

Also, do they do second and third call out's too?

Thanks for any info! :)

[BigD]

Forgive me if this is a stupid question!
But what exactly is a first call out? :confused:
Are these the athletes that have a chance of winning the show?

Also, do they do second and third call out's too?

Thanks for any info! :)

Used for closer comparisons of the competitors. Called out of the full lineup

[hans]

4th comparison is Jitka, Tazzie and Heather Foster.

Hans

[rhondariley]

bonnie priest looks amazing.... Wow :sprite10:

[hans]

5th comparison is Colette, Brenda and Dena. That's it.

Hans

[ripitupbaby]

After checking all of the women out, the judges call them out in smaller groups for comparison, starting with the top contenders. First callout is usually the women who the judges are considering for the top 3-5 spots, depending on how many of them they call out at a time. Then the second callout is the next group, maybe top 5-7 or something like that. First call out is what everyone wants! And it's even better to be the first one called in the first call out - that usually means you are being considered for 1st.
The judges usually do callouts until they have compared everyone with others who are in contention for the same placings.
When you look at the competition photos and you see a few women posing in a line and several women standing further back on the stage, you are looking at a call out line, while the other women are either waiting to be called out or have already been called out.

Good luck to everyone, I can't wait to see the pics!
:cheers:

[Michelle Brent]

Here we go people: BBing:
First callout Dayana Cadeau
Iris Kyle
3 Bonny Priest(most conditioned)
4 Annie Riveccio(yeah Annie)
They stayed with these girls for awhile, then swiitched up the 4, Then Iris was pulled back at this point for the rest of the prejuging.
Then next up5 Lisa Aukland
6 Betty Pariso
7 Yaxeni Oriquen-Garcia(off in conditioning)
8Jitka Harisamova(very off)
9 Helen Broucard
10Gayle Moher
11 Tazzie Colomb
12 Heather Foster
13 Colette Nelson
14 Brenda Raganot
15 Dena Westerfield

Figure: Only got top 3 Monica Brant-Peckam
Jenny Lynn
Amber Littlejohn
Fitness
Adela Garcia
Jen Hendershott
sorry forgot 3 and 4
Tracy Greenwood



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[Wildangel]

Thanks Girl!
Wish I was there!!!! Maybe Next year!
xxo
Vicki Nix
www.vickinixon.com :cheers:

[Dre']

Just heard the first call out is:
Iris
Dayana
Bonnie
Annie
that is all the info that i have at this time.....

[CalJoe]

Here we go people: BBing:
First callout Dayana Cadeau
Iris Kyle
3 Bonny Priest(most conditioned)
4 Annie Riveccio(yeah Annie)
They stayed with these girls for awhile, then swiitched up the 4, Then Iris was pulled back at this point for the rest of the prejuging.
Then next up5 Lisa Aukland
6 Betty Pariso
7 Yaxeni Oriquen-Garcia(off in conditioning)
8Jitka Harisamova(very off)
9 Helen Broucard
10Gayle Moher
11 Tazzie Colomb
12 Heather Foster
13 Colette Nelson
14 Brenda Raganot
15 Dena Westerfield

Figure: Only got top 3 Monica Brant-Peckam
Jenny Lynn
Amber Littlejohn
Fitness
Adela Garcia
Jen Hendershott
sorry forgot 3 and 4
Tracy Greenwood



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I guess that when it comes to bodybuilding, and with full realization that symmetry is vital, conditioned size does prevail. :sprite10:

[kdbrit]

Did Dayana get called out first? Not first group, but first name called in the first group?

[hans]

Did Dayana get called out first? Not first group, but first name called in the first group?

yep, Dayana, then Iris.

Hans

[mark000]

Almost all the womon looked magnificent, the rest also excellent.

1st callout Iris, looking great, complete, balanced, dissected,
then Annie, Bonnie and Dayana. Dayana was actually called first, which I do not understand.
They did both quarter turns and mandatory physique poses in same round.

Callout 1.5 - Iris back in lineup, apparent winner, ignoring 20% rule,
Lisa and Betty added. Of that group, Annie had the best lines IMO, Lisa also outstanding, the others were a little higher than I would have put them.

Yaxeni belonged in the first callout. IMO, BBing should be judged on complete development, muscle shapes, how harmoniously the parts fit together, are all more important than extreme hardness.

Next callout: Yaxeni, Helen Bouchard, Gayle, I think Jitka.
Yaxeni stood out with superior shape, development, proportions.
Helen looked excellent, a little tighter than a week ago, awesome development, complete, good lines.
Gayle looked good but small in that company. There should be weight classes.

Next callout - Jitka, Heather, Tazzie. Heather, who has been fighting a cold, had by far the best biceps pose, also looked great from side. All 3 have fantastic backs. Heather and Jitka both have an exciting combination of small waist with big abs. Tazzie also looked good.

Last callout Brenda, not in her best shape, Colette and Dena.

The judges did not compare athletes initially selected in different groups, which they should do

Fitness: Top 5 Jendershott, Adela, Kim Klein, Tracey Greenwood, and I think Julie Palmer. I think they may have called out the groups by fitness ability rather than by how their physiques looked, but I don't follow fitness and figure that closely.

Figure: Amber BigBadJohn looked spectacular with her height and shoulders.

[Michelle Brent]

Whats wrong with Iris, so beautifully balanced and sorry Mark but Yaxeni was very very smooth

[Michelle Brent]

p.s. Iris is a little smaller and not as shredded, so there is your 20% whatever rule

[mark000]

I didn't say a thing against Iris, who I think is a deserving winner. She looked the biggest in the first group, maybe because of her incredible shoulders, bigger than last year, though they didn't compare her to Yaxeni. Maybe she is a little smaller than at the Ms I, but not much.

Yaxeni may have looked smooth until she started to flex.

[gymdiva1222]

errrr, how much longer???????? I'm so impatient with shows that are in later time zones...I wanna know now :D

[mark000]

The finals starts at 7 PM Pacific time, 10 PM eastern time, with Men's BB prejudging.
I don't know whether FBB or fitness is next.

[Scott]

The finals starts at 7 PM Pacific time, 10 PM eastern time, with Men's BB prejudging.
I don't know whether FBB or fitness is next.

Thank goodness i am working 2nd shift tommorrow :big grin

[genex]

Looks like Iris, Adela and Jenny Lynn from prejudging - that's my guess:
http://static.flickr.com/118/255992332_e7a5b29c88_o.jpg

[genex]

http://static.flickr.com/105/255993261_0a5ebbca19_o.jpg

[genex]

http://static.flickr.com/104/255993693_ada8ccb8b1_o.jpg

[genex]

http://static.flickr.com/81/255994341_b6bfb7d1bb_o.jpg

[Jennifer Abrams]

Anymore pics for those of us anxiously waiting at home?
We love you guys!!! :banana:
Jen:)
www.jenniferabrams.net

[kdbrit]

Amber Littlejohn looks like the winner in the front pose! Iris all the way! The shoulder improvement makes her waist look smaller from the front.

[advair]

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/index.php?set_albumName=album09&option=com_gallery&Itemid=115&include=view_album.php

[hans]

Looks like Iris to me as well - just perfect conditioning as usual. Great to see Bonny and Annie up there challenging for the top places though. Bonny looks incredible - her legs and ass look amazing in that size chest.

Hans

[rick]

Is it done yet?

[gymdiva1222]

I really like Monica's different hair color...

[gymdiva1222]

I don't know Rick but it's driving me crazy ;)

[MDF]

Just saw the prejudging pics from muscular development. It is as usual - Iris Kyle is in an unreal shape that no one really can compete or compare with. What amazing legs Iris has combined with a total package - look at that back and those guns!!! Iris is in unreal shape. Totally knocking awesome!!!

She's the winner imo.

Lisa Aukland also impresses. IMO she's the only one there with legs in the same class as Iris Kyle. Lisa deservs top three imo.

[rick]

Me too, Sharon...
I hope Dayana wins.
I don´t get the excitement over Iris, shes got zero/colette nelson legs, not a total package.
And Gayle...what a nice surprise shes back.

[MDF]

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/index.php?set_albumName=album10&id=akl&option=com_gallery&Itemid=115&include=view_photo.php

[rick]

:) Is that Dayana?

[MDF]

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/index.php?set_albumName=album10&id=akj&option=com_gallery&Itemid=115&include=view_photo.php

This comparison pic below speaks for itself imo, lol. Iris, "the total package", is to the far right. Dayana is to the far left.

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/index.php?set_albumName=album10&id=anx&option=com_gallery&Itemid=115&include=view_photo.php

[Gert]

Iris did it again and Adela Garcia is miss fitness olympia. ;)

[Michelle Brent]

Iris Kyle
Dayana Cadeau
Annie Riveccio(YEAH MY GIRL!!)
Bonny Priest
Betty Pariso
Yaxemi Oriquien

[gymdiva1222]

WOW!!! thank you Michelle!!!!!!!!!!

[Michelle Brent]

oops sorry Lisa Aukland 5th, then Betty

[Brandi Burns]

wow those are amazing lines!

[Michelle Brent]

also Adela Garcia Fitness
Kim Klien(good for Kim)
Jen Hendershott
Tanji Johnson(very happy ;>)
Tracy Greenwood

[Michelle Brent]

ur welcome ;>)))

[gymdiva1222]

man that's a packed top five for fitness!


so wow! Yaxeni in 7th? certainly blew my prediction out of the water...


ok now I want pics! :D

[Michelle Brent]

go to musculardevelopment.com. whole prejudge from the link mdf gave us

[gymdiva1222]

they added the nightshow pics?


--> not yet...I'm so impatient...hahahaha :Popcorn2:

[KyleQuest]

Maybe it's just me but, I was hoping something more like this...

Annie Riveccio
Bonny Priest
Lisa Auckland
Betty Pariso
Iris Kyle
Colette Nelson =-)

With the top 3 being really close. Possibly Lisa winning because I'd bet her conditioning was the best of the top 6.

[gymdiva1222]

I was very impressed with those pre-j pics of Bonnie...I thought she looked simply radiant...

[rick]

Its not just you , Kyle.
A really boring result. I hoped for Dayana, Annie or Gayle.
This is like Roger Federer in tennis, so boring, but probably correct..

[MDF]

X-shape study. Look to the far right for Iris legendary world famous X-shape.

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/index.php?set_albumName=album10&id=anu&option=com_gallery&Itemid=115&include=view_photo.php

[KyleQuest]

Glad to hear it wasn't just me. Even my Mom wasn't happy with the results. =-)

Gayle's a good call as I'd go for her being up there in the judging. Because if anyone brought "Sexy Back" to the O stage tonight it was Colette and Gayle.

One thing that really stood out about Iris tonight was kudos to whomever did her hair! Bloody brilliant that job was indeed!!! Two thumbs way up!

[Halo]

Maybe it's just me but, I was hoping something more like this...

Annie Riveccio
Bonny Priest
Lisa Auckland
Betty Pariso
Iris Kyle
Colette Nelson =-)

With the top 3 being really close. Possibly Lisa winning because I'd bet her conditioning was the best of the top 6.
I would have loved to see Annie take it!

[hans]

I was very impressed with those pre-j pics of Bonnie...I thought she looked simply radiant...

Exactly Sharon! I thought she looked beautiful too. I just love how she just keeps plugging away and improving each year. She will be back even better next year as well.

Hans

[hans]

Lisa Aukland also impresses. IMO she's the only one there with legs in the same class as Iris Kyle.

I agree MDF. Lisa's legs and calves have always been awesome but they look even bigger and thicker this time from the pics I have seen. :1eek: I would have liked to have seen a direct comparison of Lisa and Iris.

Hard to believe she is 48 y.o.

Hans

[femalemusclefan]

After checking all of the women out, the judges call them out in smaller groups for comparison, starting with the top contenders. First callout is usually the women who the judges are considering for the top 3-5 spots, depending on how many of them they call out at a time. Then the second callout is the next group, maybe top 5-7 or something like that. First call out is what everyone wants! And it's even better to be the first one called in the first call out - that usually means you are being considered for 1st.
The judges usually do callouts until they have compared everyone with others who are in contention for the same placings.
When you look at the competition photos and you see a few women posing in a line and several women standing further back on the stage, you are looking at a call out line, while the other women are either waiting to be called out or have already been called out.

Good luck to everyone, I can't wait to see the pics!
:cheers:

Thanks Lori! :)

[hans]

Ruth Silverman of Ironman Magazine was in Vegas has a good audio report (http://www.graphicmuscle.com/index.cfm?go2=contests_reports&Type=audio&ContestYearID=730&DivisionName=Women) on the Ms O over at graphicmuscle.com. She says Iris and Dayana both looked the best they have ever looked.

Hans

[h66666]

Iris is still the best female bodybuilder in the world, guys.

I'm really glad she didn't give in to some stupid rule, and did what she was supposed to do: build a magnificent, beautiful, beautiful, big and muscular physique.

I'm glad that the judges actually judged her as a bodybuilder (i.e. someone with size, conditioning, symmetry and shape), and not as an ambassador, a model, a cash cow, a PR manager, a mainstream crowd attraction, or any of the stupid ideas that confuse the hell out of everyone.

I'm sorry about those of you who wished that your favorite pretty face or nicest makeup or best voice or whatever you think constitutes a "whole package" won. I still think that it's sexist to wish for anything but the best bodybuilder to win, which is precisely what seems to have happened.

Go Iris! You're the epitome of bodybuilding! I'm so glad that the judges didn't screw up this time.

[chris10000]

i agree totally with you!!
this results only one more argument how wrong the judges were at the euroshow, where they judged only personal interests.!!!

[ChrisFromCanada]

Could it be that women's BB is finally biginning to get the respect it deserves? This was a dead-on decision to reward a seasoned pro in every sense of the word. Iris (if you read this you'll know why i'm smiling) you deserve it girl. right? you know the answer. Nice smile, hair, skin, lines, hardness and good choice of posing suit. Many of the women seemed off, which is odd, but the lineup was very different from past few years, which was great to see. Still the best bodybuilder ever Iris!

[kiM]

YAY! for Annie!! :banana:
Such a sweet gal! I'm glad to see her getting good placement at the "O".
And Bonnie..... WOW! That is the shape that *I* am going for!

Congrats to all the ladies. I can only "dream" of being on THAT stage!!!

[TXMoonlight]

Congrats to Annie! WOW.....a 10 place jump from 2005 to 2006. Fantastic, Annie! All the best to you.

[hans]

yep so cool to see Annie break the top three! definitely the most improved athletes of 2006 - we'll keep it in mind for our Genex Awards.

Also, interesting how she took so long to turn pro, but now that she has, she's moved up pretty quick.

Hans

[Guillaume]

cbdetroit:

regarding your comment about the size of FBB, Fitness, and Figure in the states relative to canada. you are absolutely right. in canada the judges like the women big, in fact, huge! I can't speak so much for the FBBs. But at the 06 Fit and Fig Nationals the figure girls where massive. many of them could easily be middleweight and/or heavyweight BBs. it was gross actually. many of the spectators were upset, especially husbands and boyfriends. some of the figure ladies had shoulders bigger than mine. And I'm an ex-football player. scary.

the canadian judges do not reward the smaller figure girls like in the states. davana medina would probably get annialated at the canadian figure nationals. it is unfortunate. most of the canadian figure pros don't stand a chance in the US unless they downsize. Debbie Leung is one example. she has not done very well at all on the pro circuit. she is still too big. and has lost alot of femininity in her face
(what happened to her jaw over the past 7 years????).

the canadian judges NEED to stick to the 20% reduction rule otherwise, what is the difference between figure and bodybuilding.

comments and discussion is always welcome.

guillaume

[gymdiva1222]

hmmm, so maybe that 20% rule the IFBB came out with that they never seem to follow was really meant for our neighbors to the north?


I do like what someone said about them using plain suits for figure pre-j rounds...but that's a whole different thread for comps...

[rick]

don't ask me such a question...you know how to act on here...now edit this out and post how you felt about last night's comp please...

[fbbhubby]

What an awesome placing by Bonnie Priest. She has it all.....shape, size, and conditioning. In addition, a very pretty face and a sweet personality. She's the next Cory!

[rick]

Unbelievable! You edited my post and screwed up at the same time! You couldn´t even do that right.
Some moderator we got. You are on powertrip and this will probably ban me.
If they keep you as a moderator then his board is not worth being a member of. You go girl! :)

[gymdiva1222]

are you going to post your thoughts or not? if not then just leave, please...you are being completely rude and unreasonable...

[PassionateBB]

The rise and fall of another great thread... :(

In my humble opinion, it isn't the members who are being rude and unreasonable. Restraint needs to be shown on all sides. Everybody breath.

On that note, someone please stop me from eating more blintzes! I've had 6 so far! :p

And yes, Bonnie....so very proud of her!!! She must be on Cloud 9!!! A great powerlifter too!

[rick]

Huh? Are you now telling me what to post also?? If i don´t post what you tell me to, you tell me to leave?
Or else, another ban?
I am not being rude for stating my opinion...What is this? North Korea or China?
No way i let you bully people here and ban us when we don´t agree with you.
.

[genex]

Sorry to see things getting a bit outta hand here of late. Anyhow, just finished some shots with Annie and she appropriately happy with her placing and I have a little clip I'll post shortly!

gene

[gymdiva1222]

On that note, someone please stop me from eating more blintzes! I've had 6 so far! :p




no! eat some for me!!! :banana:

[rick]

I am sorry for that too, Gene. Not at all my intention, i came here for the MsO
coverage, but dont like being told what to post and being censored..

[gymdiva1222]

Huh? Are you now telling me what to post also?? If i don´t post what you tell me to, you tell me to leave?
Or else, another ban?
I am not being rude for stating my opinion...What is this? North Korea or China?
No way i let you bully people here and ban us when we don´t agree with you.
.


so sorry you think that's what I'm doing...please take it up with an admin...I am simply doing a job I was appointed to do...



now Gene, let's see those pics!!! :D

[hans]

ok let's back to talking about the Ms O - that's what this thread is supposed to be about.

Hans

[genex]

Lisa Aukland:
http://static.flickr.com/112/256615272_669f20228d_o.jpg

[genex]

Jitka was sick and throwing up from eating bad pineapple so she wasn't on form unfortunately.

Here's Annie Rivieccio from this morning's shoot:
http://static.flickr.com/91/256631882_77ee62ed61_o.jpg

[genex]

And an interview clip with Annie too:
http://one.revver.com/watch/71057/

[MDF]

Genex - your photo work is true art.

[Maxt]

Amen! Gene you are getting better and even better as you evolve over the years. I hope what you are doing will be influential to other photographers working with female bodybuilders, fitness and figure women-that is fo sho!!

[rick]

There are 3 things you can set your watch to; the sun rising, the sun setting, and another kiss-ass post from Maxt.

[kiM]

Awesome pic of Annie, Gene!
I'm glad she was pleased with her placing!

YAY ANNIE!!!!!

[gymdiva1222]

rick baby, the admins are going to handle you...I am done with that mess...




back to the task at hand...Gene, you just freakin' rock with your pics...I am soooo thankful to have someone like you and James documenting these women like this...simply gorgeous...

and damn what quads Lisa has!!!

[hans]

Great shots and clip Gene!

Hans

[cbdetroit]

cbdetroit:

regarding your comment about the size of FBB, Fitness, and Figure in the states relative to canada. you are absolutely right. in canada the judges like the women big, in fact, huge! I can't speak so much for the FBBs. But at the 06 Fit and Fig Nationals the figure girls where massive. many of them could easily be middleweight and/or heavyweight BBs. it was gross actually. many of the spectators were upset, especially husbands and boyfriends. some of the figure ladies had shoulders bigger than mine. And I'm an ex-football player. scary.

the canadian judges do not reward the smaller figure girls like in the states. davana medina would probably get annialated at the canadian figure nationals. it is unfortunate. most of the canadian figure pros don't stand a chance in the US unless they downsize. Debbie Leung is one example. she has not done very well at all on the pro circuit. she is still too big. and has lost alot of femininity in her face
(what happened to her jaw over the past 7 years????).

the canadian judges NEED to stick to the 20% reduction rule otherwise, what is the difference between figure and bodybuilding.

comments and discussion is always welcome.

guillaumeThanks Guillaume, what I've said on various threads is true.

With the IFBB/NPC's 20% reduction ruling along with Multiple weight classes (including an overall champion) in the pro ranks was to bring Women's Bodybuilding & Fitness back to it's 1980s to Mid-1990s roots because the Women were getting to Huge Massive & Bulky and that scared off any Good future prospects in Women's Bodybuilding and they started embracing figure which to some posters on various boards besides this one would look at it as more of a bikini contest.

But the Good thing of the 20% ruling, is that if you were to look at some of Women that have competed in both Fitness & Figure that has switched over to Bodybuilding has done much Better and has placed Higher than they did as Figure competitors.

With the return of The Ms. Olympia back on the Mainstage where it belongs with the Mr. & Fitness Olympia as well as the newly minted IFBB pros will bit by bit help Women's Bodybuilding return back to the popularity that it had 18 years ago.

Plus if you noticed is that some of the Figure gals have gotten more muscular overtime to the point that they look like they easily would make Beautiful Lightweight, Middleweight & Light-Heavyweight Bodybuilders.

Also there's a movement to save Fitness because just like Women's Bodybuilding, Fitness has suffered a loss of Athletes as well.

I hope that by next year that there will be more Olympia Qualifiers for both Women's Bodybuilding & Fitness because the Athletes who compete in those disciplines need all of the Love & Support they get.

I will admit though Yaxeni Oriquen made a Great Ms. Olympia and I'm proud to be her fan. I'm also Glad to see Annie Riveccio, Bonnie Priest & Lisa Aukland looking Great as well. Already I'm looking forward to the Nationals & next year's competiton, Symmetry over Mass should be the theme for next year.

Mad Love, Props & Respect to the Women that have competed at the Olympia Weekend, you Ladies are my Heroes no matter what, Peace.:)

[buffdoll]

and damn what quads Lisa has!!!



...i gues they're awiiight.... :) ;)


lisa, annie, yaxeni, bonnie...they all looked wonderful, didn't they sharon? :)

and nice pics of you hun!!!! those abs are really poppin' :)
hugs

[Maxt]

Great post Chris: props and respect go out to you too but I've still got time to RECOGNIZE the women who have competed at the Olympia this weekend. We are talking about my heroes too. Holllahh!

[cbdetroit]

Great post Chris: props and respect go out to you too but I've still got time to RECOGNIZE the women who have competed at the Olympia this weekend. We are talking about my heroes too. Holllahh!Thanks Maxt, you know that the "Motor City" fan has got to keep it positive & not negative at all.

Besides The Administrators/Moderators as well as the Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women who have met me in person could vouch for me and tell you that there is a need for more fans like me in which I'm honored. Plus that's not ass kissing but giving the Ladies all of the Love & Respect that they deserve.

Like I said I'm over the Olympia because I miss Yaxeni as Ms. Olympia because she's my Hero. I'm already motivated to check out the 2006 NPC Nationals as well as the 2007 Arnold's & North Americans because I'm a proud sports fan here in Michigan as well as a long time fan of Women's Bodybuilding & Fitness. The Women who compete in Bodybuilding & Fitness are the Most Beautiful & Wonderful Women on the planet, period. HOLLER!! :)

GO TIGERS, LIONS, PISTONS, RED WINGS & SHOCK!!!!!!
GOTTA ALSO LOVE THE BIG TEN & MID-AMERICAN CONFERENCE AS WELL, PEACE.

[kdbrit]

Iris Kyle was incredible the whole weekend. She was bold enough to strip down at the press conference and show everyone her winning physique. When she walked on stage and hit her first shot, everyone at the show knew she was Ms. Olympia 2006.

[muscleflexin]

I would have loved to see Annie take it!



That girl has been at it so long and she really looked beautiful! :camera:
I hope she gets it soon!

[cbdetroit]

And don't worry folks, Yaxeni Oriquen will be back as Ms. Olympia in the future, Mark my words. The 20% ruling will prevail ya heard? Peace.:)

[muscleflexin]

She's more beautiful than ever!! Next year it's yours, Beautiful! ;)

Jitka was sick and throwing up from eating bad pineapple so she wasn't on form unfortunately.

Here's Annie Rivieccio from this morning's shoot:
http://static.flickr.com/91/256631882_77ee62ed61_o.jpg

[Gert]

....figure olympia...6e....Gina Aliotti....5e....Mary Lado....4e....Christine Pomponio-Pate.....3e.....Monica Brand.....2e.....Amber Littlejohn....and miss figure olympia 2006....Jenny Lynn!!!!!

[genex]

Ruth Luccessi:
http://static.flickr.com/111/256945343_e0faafcccb_o.jpg

[genex]

Kristy Hawkins:
http://static.flickr.com/82/256950309_c8aee50726_o.jpg

[jamies]

cbdetroit:

regarding your comment about the size of FBB, Fitness, and Figure in the states relative to canada. you are absolutely right. in canada the judges like the women big, in fact, huge! I can't speak so much for the FBBs. But at the 06 Fit and Fig Nationals the figure girls where massive. many of them could easily be middleweight and/or heavyweight BBs. it was gross actually. many of the spectators were upset, especially husbands and boyfriends. some of the figure ladies had shoulders bigger than mine. And I'm an ex-football player. scary.

the canadian judges do not reward the smaller figure girls like in the states. davana medina would probably get annialated at the canadian figure nationals. it is unfortunate. most of the canadian figure pros don't stand a chance in the US unless they downsize. Debbie Leung is one example. she has not done very well at all on the pro circuit. she is still too big. and has lost alot of femininity in her face
(what happened to her jaw over the past 7 years????).

the canadian judges NEED to stick to the 20% reduction rule otherwise, what is the difference between figure and bodybuilding.

comments and discussion is always welcome.

guillaume

Hi Guillaume,
I was just wondering if you wouldn't mind sharing with us your definition of "massive". Seeing as I WON the Canadian Nationals this year and I'm 5'9 and was onstage at 135 lbs, while Jill St.Laurent (other Pro card winner) stands around 5'4 and was onstage this year at 120-125 lbs. Does this define both of us as "massive"???

There is a huge difference between someone being labelled as a "bodybuilder in heels", or just a very well conditioned athlete who is extremely lean.....which, as sad as it is to say, is what the CBBF rewards. Period. Either give the judges what THEY want, or find another federation. A figure athlete looks "massive" and like she may have a "square jaw", but you are failing to recognize that most of these women are at less that 10% bodyfat and are de-hydrated on top of it. No need to cut down other people.

Jamie Senuk

[Templar]

Kristy Hawkins:
http://static.flickr.com/82/256950309_c8aee50726_o.jpg

Gene, that may be the BEST picture I have ever seen you take. You have crossed over into the sublime, well done amigo!

Templar

Oh, and War Eagle:)

[cbdetroit]

And Guillaume, Even though the More of the Massive Women have been winning more pro qualifiers in Canada for Women's Bodybuilding, Fitness & Figure; in Recent years Some Heroes of mine (Autumn Raby, Helen Bouchard, Christine Roth, Sophie Duquette and most recently, Nicole Ball) are very Beautifully Lean, Symmetrically Proportionate, Well Conditioned And "Ripped to Shreds" the Way I Love it on a Woman.

And in my opinion are Great representatives of the sport of Women's Bodybuilding.

Like I said before you have Figure Constestants have the type of physiques that look more like Lightweight, Middleweight & Light-Heavyweight Bodybuilders and in my opinion should ought to crossover & embrace Bodybuilding.

I know that I've seen plenty of it at the local contests here in Detroit as well as at the Arnold's & North Americans.

A lot of the posters were fussing Last year about the judges choices at the 2005 Canadian Nationals (with the exception of Autumn, whom I'm a proud fan of & who also had the Best physique in the competiton) The judges were gunning for the most Massive FBBs out there.

I've said it before and I'll say it again I LOVE the Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women who are more towards the Aesthetic Feminine Symmetrically Proportionate instead of the Huge Bulky Massive FBBs with no shape or no "finer lines" but major flaws in their physiques.:)

[rick]

rick baby, the admins are going to handle you...I am done with that mess...






Really? Ok , should be interesting.

This one is your finest moment as the worst moderator in Internets history:
"I closed it b/c it was a dead topic...I stated my purpose and felt like nothing else needed to be added..."

Priceless! That one really scares me, worthy a leader like Saddam or Hitler.
I have no time for a mean evil person like you, so please stop adressing me here. I am confdident that your days as Moderator are numbered.
I´ll be waiting for the admins ,you say will handle me.

[Brandi Burns]

I dont think Jamie is gross. I think she has a beautiful physique and will do quite well as a pro if she so chooses to persue that. As for Debbie, god Im sure shes no more then 115lbs on stage, shes so tiny. If THAT is massive then we need to re-examine what kind of look an ATHLETE should have. Figure girls are still athletes. You also have to remember that in the states they award many, many pro cards. Whereas in Canada there is only the one. So the competition is alot feirce, your truly looking at the best in the country and winning actually means something here.

One thing is certain, you cant please everyone (hardly anyone it seems). Either the judges are wrong, or the athletes look terrible. Every comp thread has negativity towards one side or the other if not both. You guys have to realize that everyone, judges and athletes alike are just doing their best. And ultimately, doing it for themselves. Not everyone is going to like it and thats just how life is.

[Brandi Burns]

Really? Ok , should be interesting.

This one is your finest moment as the worst moderator in Internets history:
"I closed it b/c it was a dead topic...I stated my purpose and felt like nothing else needed to be added..."

Priceless! That one really scares me, worthy a leader like Saddam or Hitler.
I have no time for a mean evil person like you, so please stop adressing me here. I am confdident that your days as Moderator are numbered.
I´ll be waiting for the admins ,you say will handle me.

:no pity:

Diva, I think your doing great.

[Alexander]

My FIRST
http://img155.imagevenue.com/loc463/th_07544_Dayana_122_463lo.jpg (http://img155.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=07544_Dayana_122_463lo.jpg)

[rick]

:no pity:

Diva, I think your doing great.

You go girl.

[Michelle Brent]

this whole page is about anything other then the Olympia hello???

[Templar]

this whole page is about anything other then the Olympia hello???

And Lo, I heard a voice of reason amidst the chaotic storm...:)) Thanks Michelle!

Templar

[Echo]

this whole page is about anything other then the Olympia hello???

Well, Michelle, when there is controversy about a contest you are going to find more discussion and posts about it. And when there is not, you are going to find people posting about other things which they believe are the real "hot topics."

Insofar as the 2006 Ms. Olympia is concerned, where is the controversy? Except for two competitors the athletes appeared in great shape. The judging decisions seemed to be appropriate and fair for the most part. There is not much left to do except to applaud these athletes for their fine effort and encourage them to come back next year.

The only question I had was in regard to Jitka and Yaxeni. Gene tells us that Jitka had an allergic reaction to pineapple. So, that part of my question has been answered. But what was was the reason for Yaxeni's disappointing performance? Was she sick? Did she make a miscalculation in her contest prep? Was she "burned out?" Does anyone have any thoughts to offer?

[Zennie]

Great shots and clip Gene!

Hans

I agree. Great to be able to follow things from here but wish I were there; boy, don't get the flu, folks!

[sjf450]

any other sites to find pictures?

[professorfrink]

any pics of the fitness routines?

[rhondariley]

does Anyone Have The Full Results Beyond Top 6 From The Figure Olympia

[JoePa]

Well, Michelle, when there is controversy about a contest you are going to find more discussion and posts about it. And when there is not, you are going to find people posting about other things which they believe are the real "hot topics."

Insofar as the 2006 Ms. Olympia is concerned, where is the controversy? Except for two competitors the athletes appeared in great shape. The judging decisions seemed to be appropriate and fair for the most part. There is not much left to do except to applaud these athletes for their fine effort and encourage them to come back next year.

The only question I had was in regard to Jitka and Yaxeni. Gene tells us that Jitka had an allergic reaction to pineapple. So, that part of my question has been answered. But what was was the reason for Yaxeni's disappointing performance? Was she sick? Did she make a miscalculation in her contest prep? Was she "burned out?" Does anyone have any thoughts to offer?
That's a great question regarding Yaxeni. I was very surprised to see that Yaxeni was off. The funny part is that even when she's off she's pretty awesome, considering her lines and structure.

[Maxt]

Yaxeni is awesome. I feel for her. She's definitely got great lines and structure.

[cbdetroit]

Yaxeni is awesome. I feel for her. She's definitely got great lines and structure.I agree with you Maxt, and after meeting her in person at the Arnold's, I'm looking forward to see Yaxeni making a comeback next year because her wins last year at both the Ms. International as well as the Ms. Olympia was phenomenal and I'm sure that she'll get it together in the future.

And when she does, the competition had better look out!! :)

[Maxt]

I think her problem was timing CB, I've met her several times myself and her personality is just the greatest without a doubt.

[IslandGirl]

does Anyone Have The Full Results Beyond Top 6 From The Figure Olympia

Here you go Rhonda. Scroll down.

http://www.ifbb.com/ifbbpro/2006events/2006olympia.htm

[rhondariley]

Thanks.. Didn't think they would have it updated already!!

[Nikki]

Thanks for the coverage!!

[cbdetroit]

I think her problem was timing CB, I've met her several times myself and her personality is just the greatest without a doubt.I agree with you Maxt because back in the 1990s after Kim Chizvesky had both the 1996 Ms. International & the Ms. Olympia in the same year, she's only concentrated on competing in just the Ms. Olympia so she was able to have the time to bring up any weak parts on her physique and maintain her dominence.

Kim had definitely wrote the book on size, shape and Muscle separation. The same goes for Lenda Murray, Juliette Bergmann, Cory Everson, Andrulla Blanchette & Valentina Chepiga.

Maybe once if Yaxeni regains the title she'll learn from what's happened this year and will comeback even Better than ever because she's got potential.

Or on the other hand with more new faces entering the pro ranks, especially the Ms. Olympia, it will be interesting to see who's gunning for the crown.

[Maxt]

You know Chris there was absolutely nothing wrong with Kim Chezevsky as the Ms. Olympia. She was a pure champion. She was a pure winner and did what it took to win then during the Nineties. She also wrote for Flex every month, had a lot of sponsorships, a Weider contract and then in 2001 went over to fitness where she was very good but never made it to the top in that discipline due to the demands of the routines and their heavy reliance on gymnastic ability. A few years ago the day of a show I attended a Weider champions seminar including a trimmer and slimmed down Kim Chezevsky who answered questions as to why at the top of her game and as the Ms. Olympia she made the move to fitness and lost all of the muscle she carried as a Ms. Olympia. She said a variety of things like the offseason weight was a lot to bear on her joints but that she wanted to be recognized "as a good lookin' chick" because she had always considered herself one. She did not want to be mistaken for a man which was starting to happen with the sport of womens bodybuilding more and more with unchecked judging standards that had the competition achieve the mind blowing muscularity for a woman with priority over the other qualities a female bodybuilder had before in the era of bodybuilding that had first attracted her to the sport and helped her win as a pro in her first Ms. International back in 1993. I'll have to say I did attend that show she won and the VIP banquet with all of the lovely ladies that year and she was smokin' hot! Now she is still involved with the sport working for worldwide nutrition and ABB as I last checked. She'll probably be at next years Arnold Fitness Expo and since retirement has mothered two beautiful children so her success in life gives me nothing but joy. I have to hold her as an excellent role model for positivity and what I need to see in a Ms. Olympia.

[cbdetroit]

Yes Kim Chizvesky's a Beautiful Woman all right Maxt, but I liked her Better as a Bodybuilder because she looked Good.

I remember that over at Bill Dobbins website there was an article called "The Greatest Female Bodybuilder of All Time" which was a Good Article on Kim Chizvesky and towards the end of the article there was a link that another FBB/or fan of Kim's as wrote about her dissapointment that Kim had lost the Muscularity that has put her on top in the first place.

And I still think Kim's a Beautiful Woman, but like I said before I miss her 90's look because I thought that she looked Good and especially she's had some of the most Phemononal Legs, Abs, and Lats that I've seen on a Woman.

And some of her influence is still around today with the new Generation of Women coming into the the sport, which is a Good thing, if you want my opinion.:)

[Maxt]

Oh Chris I liked her as a bodybuilder no doubt. I liked her as both Ms. International and Ms. Olympia. She had a remarkable career. Have you seen the photos of this latest Ms. Olympia that Gene posted at Genex. Fantastic!-what a show and whoa how totally impressive did you think Annie Rivieccio looked for this show? Phenomenal-her best effort yet. As I said before Yaxeni Oriquen just looked to have mistimed her peak. She still looked great in terms of lines and structure. Brenda Raganot looked off-I've seen her much better but wow Jitka Harazimova did not look to be having a good time at all certainly not like she had way back 8 years ago in 1998 when she did the Ms. O. in her home country of the Czech Republic!

[mark000]

Here you go Rhonda. Scroll down.

http://www.ifbb.com/ifbbpro/2006events/2006olympia.htm

The round 4 scores are not very consistent with the other scores, to put it mildly. Was that the posedown?

The listed scores for that round (low score is best)
Annie 5
Dayana 10
Betty 15
Iris and Lisa both 23
Bonny 28

What gives?

[Maxt]

Annie rocks. I swear she looked so awesome!

[Eddie]

Now granted I think Iris deserved to win just as I predicted, but other than Annie being top 3 everything was suspect and pretty much boring and predictable.

I knew Betty would land where she did, and she deserved much better.
Same goes Bonny who should have been at least 4th.

While Dayana was overrated.

Lisa Aukland had better conditioning than Dayana, but of course its all about amusement and trying to create storylines with the IFBB and that's why Dayana and Iris continue to be within arms-length of each other in the standing year after year.
I suppose this sets things up for next year with Dayana winning and Iris being second.

This is also why more quailifier shows or spots are needed.

Seeing the same names in the so-call major championship contributes to the dullness of the season as well.

[Eddie]

Also have to say it does sadden me to see Brenda Raganot continue to slip further down the latter of star athletes. She's must be confused with the criterion. She just can't find the right balance between smooth and hard like she did in winning the Nationals in 1998.

Brenda from '06 Olympia
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006olympia_pre_wobb93.jpg
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006olympia_pre_wobb97.jpg

[JoePa]

Now granted I think Iris deserved to win just as I predicted, but other than Annie being top 3 everything was suspect and pretty much boring and predictable.

I knew Betty would land where she did, and she deserved much better.
Same goes Bonny who should have been at least 4th.

While Dayana was overrated.

Lisa Aukland had better conditioning than Dayana, but of course its all about amusement and trying to create storylines with the IFBB and that's why Dayana and Iris continue to be within arms-length of each other in the standing year after year.
I suppose this sets things up for next year with Dayana winning and Iris being second.

This is also why more quailifier shows or spots are needed.

Seeing the same names in the so-call major championship contributes to the dullness of the season as well.
Well, I guess things would have really livened up if Colette had won.

[Echo]

Also have to say it does sadden me to see Brenda Raganot continue to slip further down the latter of star athletes. She's must be confused with the criterion. She just can't find the right balance between smooth and hard like she did in winning the Nationals in 1998.


Brenda has not, by any means, been the only person "confused by the criterion."

[Eddie]

Brenda has not, by any means, been the only person "confused by the criterion."

Duhhh.....I know that..... :rolleyes:

It saddens that BRENDA has fallen prey to the confusion.

I expected better from her especially with being a pro for 8 years now.

[Echo]

Duhhh.....I know that..... :rolleyes:

It saddens that BRENDA has fallen prey to the confusion.

I expected better from her especially with being a pro for 8 years now.

Eddie:

Even veteran pros have been told by IFBB officials that if they come into contests softer they will be rewarded. Some do, and they are rewarded. Others do, and they get screwed by following that advice. And that is how the story goes.

[kiM]

It is hard to say that she didn't TRY to come in "on time", Or that she should know better.......
One little mis-calculation of anything from water, carbs, sodium, estrogen, etc... and it might appear that you didn't prepare properly, when you just missed your peak by a few hours. Believe it or not, your body can change THAT quickly when so many variables come into play.

Those of you who have gone through the process know exactly what I mean.
I NEVER try to arm-chair-judge. We just don't know the circumstances.

[Guillaume]

ms. senuk;

thanks for your comments jamie. i guess i should have been more clear. my observation at nationals was that there were some very muscular female competitors that looked like they could have competed as bodybuilders. relative to the US competitors - they would be considered excessively muscular. the figue standard in the states is VERY different than in canada.
i do not think anyone would refute that.

the lady who won the short class was huge. there is no question about it. she looked like a bodybuilder NOT a figure competitor. and the crowd was being pretty vocal about it. so obviously i am NOT the only who feels this way. spectators were even heard yelling aloud:
"is this bodybuilding or a figure competition????" - multiple times throughout the morning and evening show.

there was also an ex heavyweight female bodybuilder who competed in the medium tall class. as of 2005, she was a heavy and then crossed over to compete in figure - Kim Yachimenchuk. you be the judge as to whether or not you think that is fair.

these were some of the athletes i was referring to in my commentary. not so much the alberta girls. in fact, i have been a huge supporter of the alberta athletes and written rather positively in their defence.

and lastly, jamie...as an MD who practices sports medicine, it is in my professional opinion (which i have the right to express freely and openly) that some of the figure competitors at the 06 CAN nationals were clearly displaying signs of acromagaly from the use of Growth Hormone. my intention was not to be cruel or rude but to draw attention and awareness to this sad and dangerous fact. these women are jeopardizing their health to win a pro card. and in the end they have to downsize to compete as a pro.
by that time they have permanently altered the structural integrity of their jaw, which is irreversible and yes...unfeminine.

they should be challenging their federations and lodging their concerns so that THEY can change their sport. instead of adhering to unrealistic and unhealthy sporting practices. i disagree with you wholeheartedly about "giving the judges want they want" in order to win.

So, at what cost? compromising your integrity, ethics, your principles, and character????

isn't it more proactive to be self-empowering? you are now a "pro" and should set an example and use your position to help others.

good luck to you jamie and thanks for the debate.

Guillaume




Hi Guillaume,
I was just wondering if you wouldn't mind sharing with us your definition of "massive". Seeing as I WON the Canadian Nationals this year and I'm 5'9 and was onstage at 135 lbs, while Jill St.Laurent (other Pro card winner) stands around 5'4 and was onstage this year at 120-125 lbs. Does this define both of us as "massive"???

There is a huge difference between someone being labelled as a "bodybuilder in heels", or just a very well conditioned athlete who is extremely lean.....which, as sad as it is to say, is what the CBBF rewards. Period. Either give the judges what THEY want, or find another federation. A figure athlete looks "massive" and like she may have a "square jaw", but you are failing to recognize that most of these women are at less that 10% bodyfat and are de-hydrated on top of it. No need to cut down other people.

Jamie Senuk

[jamies]

Guillaume,
I totally agree with you on the difference between Canadian and American standards...much different looks. In terms of challenging the CBBF on their standards, it is up to individual association to take it up with them...so basically, enough athletes have to disagree and come forward with their complaints. Trust me, this is something I have been through with many of my fellow Alberta girls.

As for drug use, it is sad the extent that some people will go to for the sake of vanity and perhaps, a trophy. To some, these risks are just not worth it. A lot of mis-education or undereducation altogether.

Personally, I do not feel that I've sacrificed an ounce of who I am, morally or ethically to be in the position I am....and the example I'm setting is to live a healthy life under whatever choices YOU make. If anything, that's what I hope to accomplish most as a "Pro" and Personal Trainer.

Thanks!
Jamie

[Maxt]

Great job Jamie. Don't sacrifice your aesthetic standards for drug use and live the healthy life you do happy with the choice you made. Way to go.

[gymdiva1222]

Someone else said this may be one of the best pics you ever took, I am inclined to agree, but the subject doesn't make it to hard to do!!

Go Kristy, You're the best!!

:banana: :D


could not agree more...Kristy looks fantastic in this pic! :camera:

[joanna]

Eddie:

Even veteran pros have been told by IFBB officials that if they come into contests softer they will be rewarded. Some do, and they are rewarded. Others do, and they get screwed by following that advice. And that is how the story goes.

With my observations Brenda was not just softer she was VERY off ok there is a big difference. There were several ladies on stage that were softer than they have been and believe me they are, hard and cut is different than ripped.
Brenda has been one of my fav lightweights for years and I love her physique big time, she has inspired me, however on this occasion she was not in the money. I've been there and so have many others, she will be back and better.

Joanna

[Echo]

With my observations Brenda was not just softer she was VERY off ok there is a big difference. There were several ladies on stage that were softer than they have been and believe me they are, hard and cut is different than ripped.


Joanna:

With regard to your comments captioned above, there is no disagreement between us. Yes, Brenda was way "off." But the question that then arises is "why did she come into this contest looking that way?" I believe that the answer to that question is either: a) Brenda chose to enter the contest in that sort of condition, or b) Brenda had some bad luck (sickness or injury) which threw her off for the contest.

Brenda is a veteran pro. Therefore, if the answer is 'a,' then I suspect that someone whom she either trusted or respected advised her to come into the contest soft. I do not know Brenda, so I don't know which reason applied. Maybe it was both. But, Joanna, I absolutely agree with you that Brenda looks her best when she is in very sharp condition and she wasn't at the Olympia.

[Guillaume]

Hey jamie;

thanx again for some clarity. i am a new fan to the sport and learned alot watching nationals. i am still learning.

my buddies and i took in nationals to see what figure was all about. we weren't sure what the difference between bodybuilding and figure was. we are all varsity football players and obviously interested in women athletes that have muscle. this is a good thing and shouldn't come as a surprise.

at any rate, we were training at the U and got to meet J'me hanna
(she was on team alberta). she was pretty shredded when she walked into the gym and we were all wondering if she was a bodybuilder. after meeting her, she explained to us about the sport of figure. so we thought we'd check it out. and of course the fact that my buddies were all drooling over her!

anyways, the show was great and after reading your comments i realized who you were. i didn't recall you at first from nationals because of the unprofessional mix up with the overall. i will say this. many of the alberta girls (including you) definitely looked better and prettier than some of the BC girls.

it's too bad you can't voice your opinions and really be heard. is there any way you and the other alberta pros can get together and write the cbbf and demand a change, demand action. now that you are a pro you definitely have alot of power and influence. the more you guys do as pros, the more change the sport will see. and the newcomers will stand a chance. this is my objective with the threads. my girlfriend is considereing competing but doesn't want to get really muscular and is 100% against the drug use. women like you, are her only hope is seeing change in the sport. you need to challenge your federation, like you said, and really push the cbbf. there are enough pros in alberta now that you should all get together and work together.

thanks alot jamie, great conversations!

Guillaume

Guillaume,
I totally agree with you on the difference between Canadian and American standards...much different looks. In terms of challenging the CBBF on their standards, it is up to individual association to take it up with them...so basically, enough athletes have to disagree and come forward with their complaints. Trust me, this is something I have been through with many of my fellow Alberta girls.

As for drug use, it is sad the extent that some people will go to for the sake of vanity and perhaps, a trophy. To some, these risks are just not worth it. A lot of mis-education or undereducation altogether.

Personally, I do not feel that I've sacrificed an ounce of who I am, morally or ethically to be in the position I am....and the example I'm setting is to live a healthy life under whatever choices YOU make. If anything, that's what I hope to accomplish most as a "Pro" and Personal Trainer.

Thanks!
Jamie

[gymdiva1222]

Guillaume and Jaime, go ahead and start a new thread for this topic you have going...I think it would be a good one!


in the meantime, anymore fine looking pics Gene? although I think it'd be hard to beat that one of Kristy! :big grin

[genex]

To bring it sort of back on topic, check out this read about Victor Conte at the Olympia:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2612786&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos2

There's a pic of him with Iris Kyle even.

gene

[genex]

Oh yeah here's a shot from the women's finals of former Ms Olympia Lenda Murray and perhaps a future Ms. O Kristy Hawkins:
http://static.flickr.com/108/262034159_d823872725_o.jpg

[Zennie]

could not agree more...Kristy looks fantastic in this pic! :camera:


Ditto. And the conception is one of genius. Congrats, Gene. IT seems you were inspired.

[kdbrit]

Lenda looks great, as always!