NY Pro - A Huge Disappointment

[HumanFreakShow300]

i know the title of the thread is a bit extreme, but i was really disappointed with how some of the competitors looked (http://www.femflex.com/free/pics/20050521nypropre/2c9d1936.jpg) (who is this?). Yes, it is hard to get into and maintain that peak condition, especially on the day of the contest, but i must ask; What happened to collette - amanda? i really thought she would be alot drier and more defined, but she was especially smooth in the quads. She alos seemed to have dropped too much weight! She is one of my favorites too, so it was definately a bummer. As far as miss dunlap goes, well, what happened - tre? i know you had big hopes and high praises of her at 3½ weeks out that raised alot of questions.

Oh, heres a link to some of the images. (http://www.femflex.com/free/picthumb/20050521nypropre/index04.htm)


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[bigjoeyc]

i know the title of the thread is a bit extreme, but i was really disappointed with how some of the competitors looked. Yes, it is hard to get into and maintain that peak condition, especially on the day of the contest, but i must ask; What happened to collette - amanda? i really thought she would be alot drier and more defined, but she was especially smooth in the quads. Also, she seem to have dropped too much weight! She is one of my favorites too, so it was definately a bummer. As far as miss dunlap goes, well, what happened - tre? i know you had big hopes and high praises of her at 3½ weeks out that raised alot of questions.

Oh, heres a link to some of the images. (http://www.femflex.com/free/picthumb/20050521nypropre/index04.htm)


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Yeah, What the heck happened? Crazy. :confused:

[t-bone]

First off i don't think it's fair to ask Tre & Amanda, I think you should ask the competitors directly. If you want to question them.

Secondly I didn't think Sarah looked all the bad. Standing next to Annie and Heather there is a HUGE gap in experiece and muscle maturity!

[Tre]

As far as miss dunlap goes, well, what happened - tre? i know you had big hopes and high praises of her at 3½ weeks out that raised alot of questions.

Sarah's conditioning was perfect. She did everything she had to do in order to get herself ready for the stage and she looked great. She's very pleased with how she looked and her fans were all excited about how good her physique was.

Sarah's SPS (stage prep specialist) let her down, however, by not ensuring that she was dark enough before going onstage. Next time around more attention will also be paid to hair and makeup. I take the bad on that, but this was a big learning experience for me as well.

Note - I'm not making ANY excuses for Sarah (and she isn't making any either). I assumed you wanted a serious explanation of 'what went wrong', so that's the answer I'm giving. She did her part - I failed to do mine.

[Tre]

First off i don't think it's fair to ask Tre & Amanda, I think you should ask the competitors directly. If you want to question them.
No. His legitimate questions to Amanda and me are fine. I have strongly advised both Sarah and Colette to avoid any participation in message board discussions. Their job is to create beautiful artwork with their physiques, not to engage in tit-for-tat or even simple Q&A with the people here. If they'd like to post a note of "thanks for caring" or a "hey, here's how I'm doing", that's fine, but anything beyond that would be of zero benefit to them. And even then I'd suggest using a spokesperson for that.
Secondly I didn't think Sarah looked all the bad. Standing next to Annie and Heather there is a HUGE gap in experiece and muscle maturity!
Absolutely. The one message these judges sent was to the young future pros out there: "Girls, slow down, because you're wasting your time if you're in a race to turn pro."

I'll use her more as the example as time goes on, but look at what Amanda Dunbar has done. She has slowly made improvements to her physique the past four years and that's why she has retained her youth and beauty.

[Larg]

Their job is to create beautiful artwork with their physiques, not to engage in tit-for-tat or even simple Q&A with the people here. If they'd like to post a note of "thanks for caring" or a "hey, here's how I'm doing", that's fine, but anything beyond that would be of zero benefit to them.

Tre...please take some advice and slow down here. Simple Q&A with the people here is a "no-no"...WOW!! Are you sending them to Siberia or Tibet next for monk-like isolation? lol ...C'mon...I agree with what their job is...but I would like to know why showing their personality, charm, knowledge, and some bonding with fans is of "zero" benefit to them (or is it the dollars that are missing in this scenario)? Since you don't mind "tit-for-tat", please respond in kind...lol ... thx

[Tre]

but I would like to know why showing their personality, charm, knowledge, and some bonding with fans is of "zero" benefit to them (or is it the dollars that are missing in this scenario)?

That's what their free blogs or moderated personal boards are for. It's not a money issue.

The zero benefit I mentioned is with respect to public message boards where there is little moderation and a high percentage of the members are anonymous. Message boards are designed to lure people into spending a ton of their time on them, whether reading, responding, or both. That's the nature of message boards. Don't take personal offense to that - reality is what it is.

These things always start out so innocently. A woman takes a moment to respond to a kind fan and then within a couple of days, there are a few dozen posts and contained in that number are several that she wishes she'd never read (not to mention the time wasted on them). The solution: let someone else handle that stuff. This doesn't have to be all the time, mind you, I'm only speaking in general terms. Just like in the real world, many women in this business are very sensitive or quick-tempered or both...so why add a potential source of stress to their lives?

It's all about getting good value for your time and for many physiquewomen, public message boards just are not capable of providing that.

[HumanFreakShow300]

First off i don't think it's fair to ask Tre & Amanda, I think you should ask the competitors directly. If you want to question them.

First of all, it is more than "fair" to ask these two since they were both quite involved with the individuals themselves. Neither of those competitors are members of this board, so it would be stupid and pointless to ask them the questions here. Secondly, amanda and collette are very close -- best friends if i'm not mistaken -- she would probably have the inside scoop on what went down with her, likewise with tre and ms. dunlap.

Maybe you should particpate more areound here to keep abreast with what is going on before deciding to respond to a post. Hell, i did not even ask you anything! i asked the people (appropriate to this board) who i thought may have the answer(s).

Thanks for your response tre, it was quite succinct and it cleared some things up.


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[genex]

Larg, I had to laugh at your monk reference. At one point James and I had joked about trying to figure out an interesting reality TV type situation for fBBs and we thought we could get several in isolation in a monk-type situation high in the mountains and have them train and prepare their physiques and then have a contest to end it out.

Probably a few too many beers after a long day at a contest...

[Larg]

That's what their free blogs or moderated personal boards are for. It's not a money issue.

The zero benefit I mentioned is with respect to public message boards where there is little moderation and a high percentage of the members are anonymous. Message boards are designed to lure people into spending a ton of their time on them, whether reading, responding, or both. That's the nature of message boards. Don't take personal offense to that - reality is what it is.

These things always start out so innocently. A woman takes a moment to respond to a kind fan and then within a couple of days, there are a few dozen posts and contained in that number are several that she wishes she'd never read (not to mention the time wasted on them). The solution: let someone else handle that stuff. This doesn't have to be all the time, mind you, I'm only speaking in general terms. Just like in the real world, many women in this business are very sensitive or quick-tempered or both...so why add a potential source of stress to their lives?

It's all about getting good value for your time and for many physiquewomen, public message boards just are not capable of providing that.

Tre...I appreciate your clarification here. That helped a lot.

I hope you don't mind Colette and Sarah coming to GeneX Forum where the ONLY "real" good questions are asked and where the chatters are more "sensitive" than the physique women...lol

[Larg]

Larg, I had to laugh at your monk reference. At one point James and I had joked about trying to figure out an interesting reality TV type situation for fBBs and we thought we could get several in isolation in a monk-type situation high in the mountains and have them train and prepare their physiques and then have a contest to end it out.

Probably a few too many beers after a long day at a contest...

GeneX,
I think it is required for many beers to be drunk before a reality show can be hatched...so don't throw this idea out yet...haha

[t-bone]

Cool out homie! (this is the tit-for-tatness that Tre speaks of) One problem with a message board is one can't tell the intonation a person is using. I didn't mean to offend. My point was why not ask (email) your question directly to the person. Tre was cool with answering the questions but I still think going directly to the souce is best.

I know Amanda and Collette are good friends but neither of know how much she helped in her prep.


Maybe you should particpate more areound here to keep abreast with what is going on before deciding to respond to a post. Hell, i did not even ask you anything! i asked the people (appropriate to this board) who i thought may have the answer(s).


Granted I don't post as much as others but I do read though the boards on a regular basis.

[KyleQuest]

Considering that the show was originally cancelled, I believe it was a good showing. Fun, entertaining, and brought a challenge to the lives of the athlete's competing.

I always love questions pertaining to someone's prep. You'll have better luck walking into McDonald's and asking for there secret recipies...

Amanda was a huge help to Colette. As was Malea Jensen who was here the whole time too. They were indispensable! We all played our assigned rolls and gave her our best.

I completely disagree with questioning Colette's conditioning. If you look at the prejudging pics, Maria was the hardest followed by Colette and Annie. I have the glute/hamstring shots to prove it! :)

Fore athlete's posting on the boards, I see it as blessing everytime they do. That it's a blessing when any of us take the time out of our lives to come and share with everyone.

Have a great day....

[Amanda Dunbar]

First, say what you want about Colette... she came in to the show the best SHE COULD and really probably the best overall symmetry and conditioning for herself to date. I am extremely proud of her and am so happy I could share her first pro show and prep with her. Yes, she is my best friend and I'd do anything for her. She is a very hard worker... criticize all you want, but until you, yourself, steps on stage in condition, you have no right to say anything about anyone else negatively.... especially because NOBODY is perfect, so give Colette some slack here.

Sarah on the other hand.... I do feel the need to say something about because the way she handled herself on stage, with overall presentation, femininity, and PROFESSIONALISM both ONSTAGE and BACKSTAGE was horrible. It was truely disappointing to the people that had to deal with it first hand. Definitely not what a female bodybuilder needs to be showing especially when most people think down of us anyway.

Tre, thanks for your comments. :)

Amanda

[HumanFreakShow300]

First, say what you want about Colette... she came in to the show the best SHE COULD and really probably the best overall symmetry and conditioning for herself to date. I am extremely proud of her and am so happy I could share her first pro show and prep with her. Yes, she is my best friend and I'd do anything for her. She is a very hard worker... criticize all you want, but until you, yourself, steps on stage in condition, you have no right to say anything about anyone else negatively.... especially because NOBODY is perfect, so give Colette some slack here.

i don't recall saying anything negative about collette (or anyone else). In fact, i said that she is one of my favorite bodybuilders. As far as knowing about competing and stepping on stage, well, i am not a female bodybuilder, but i have competed in organized sports (football) all the way up to college -- Rose Bowl, Sun Bowl and, the Freedom Bowl, if i had not messed up both knees (multiple surgeries) i would probably still be playing now. Additionally, i am currently a competitive powerlifter. Competition is nothing new to me nor is the preparation required to do so and with that, i would never beat anyone down for their efforts.

i understand that she is your best friend, but you need to calm down. i just asked what happened -- nothing negative.


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[Tre]

On the whole issue of "rights" (or privileges), anyone who decides to enter the public arena is opening him/herself up to criticism. That's the nature of the beast. We cannot accept the praise unless we're also willing to accept the criticism. An art critic doesn't need to be an artist in order to give his opinions about a piece.

Colette is a very professional and classy woman. She's not going to come here or anywhere else and dog someone out. If she chooses to respond to her naysayers at all, you can bet that she'll be polite and respectful, regardless of what some people may have said about her. She has always and will always take the high road. Every story I have about Colette is a great one and she'll always be a champion - and a great friend - in my eyes, no matter what. The fact that she's gorgeous and has a great physique really has nothing to do with the way I feel about her - she's the type of woman any guy would be thrilled to have in his life.

Concerning Sarah, there are some things to work out. As she grows and matures, she will do a better job of taking care of business and conducting herself in a more professional manner. Unless someone has experience in those types of situations - and I'm not talking only about bodybuilding - the expectation level just cannot be the same as that of someone who's been to fifty black-tie dinners. This was only her 5th show - every other woman on that stage had done at least twice as many. That's not an excuse or explanation...I'm just trying to help everyone to keep things in their proper context. As great as her physique is, I'm just not willing to hold a 24-year old to the same standards as I do a 42-year old.

:)

[Beenaround]

KyleQ, Nice post, thank you very much! ;)

[Amanda Dunbar]

i don't recall saying anything negative about collette (or anyone else). In fact, i said that she is one of my favorite bodybuilders. As far as knowing about competing and stepping on stage, well, i am not a female bodybuilder, but i have competed in organized sports (football) all the way up to college -- Rose Bowl, Sun Bowl and, the Freedom Bowl, if i had not messed up both knees (multiple surgeries) i would probably still be playing now. Additionally, i am currently a competitive powerlifter. Competition is nothing new to me nor is the preparation required to do so and with that, i would never beat anyone down for their efforts.

i understand that she is your best friend, but you need to calm down. i just asked what happened -- nothing negative.


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I'm calm... no need to. I'm just a bit over hearing negative things about colette when she is an extremely hard working athlete. It's not u... its a lot on other boards........... Just sickens me how everyone is so quick to jump on people when they don't know much about bbing themselves. AGAIN NOT U.

Amanda

[Amanda Dunbar]

On the whole issue of "rights" (or privileges), anyone who decides to enter the public arena is opening him/herself up to criticism. That's the nature of the beast. We cannot accept the praise unless we're also willing to accept the criticism. An art critic doesn't need to be an artist in order to give his opinions about a piece.

Colette is a very professional and classy woman. She's not going to come here or anywhere else and dog someone out. If she chooses to respond to her naysayers at all, you can bet that she'll be polite and respectful, regardless of what some people may have said about her. She has always and will always take the high road. Every story I have about Colette is a great one and she'll always be a champion - and a great friend - in my eyes, no matter what. The fact that she's gorgeous and has a great physique really has nothing to do with the way I feel about her - she's the type of woman any guy would be thrilled to have in his life.

Concerning Sarah, there are some things to work out. As she grows and matures, she will do a better job of taking care of business and conducting herself in a more professional manner. Unless someone has experience in those types of situations - and I'm not talking only about bodybuilding - the expectation level just cannot be the same as that of someone who's been to fifty black-tie dinners. This was only her 5th show - every other woman on that stage had done at least twice as many. That's not an excuse or explanation...I'm just trying to help everyone to keep things in their proper context. As great as her physique is, I'm just not willing to hold a 24-year old to the same standards as I do a 42-year old.

:)

Tre you're right about Colette... but I have to disagree about Sarah. Maturity at 24 when you are at this level in your career should be evident. Common sense I'd think? Come on, she's already a college graduate? when do you develop maturity? It primarily hurt's herself but also indirectly brings the rest of the women down a bit because they could get grouped into the same class as her, when a lot of other women are TRUE professionals in LIFE, not bodybuilding. Maturity is what we're talking about and she demonstrated about ZERO last weekend. Very very disappointing. I was one of MANY that witnessed it. This is not anything about her physique bc she has a damn good one, I've always said that about her.

Amanda

[viclight]

Amanda? Tre? Could it be possible that there were other stresses (besides that of a pro show) that Sarah was dealing with? Sometimes too many stresses can turn the nicest and or most professional people into real bears. If so, she may have reached her overload point during the show aqnd just had to let it out.

[Amanda Dunbar]

No... let's just say that. It's pure immaturity. No excuses for Sarah.

Amanda

[Maxt]

Amanda? Tre? Could it be possible that there were other stresses (besides that of a pro show) that Sarah was dealing with? Sometimes too many stresses can turn the nicest and or most professional people into real bears. If so, she may have reached her overload point during the show aqnd just had to let it out.
I thought about that myself. I thought she may have been distracted by some issues?

[Larg]

No... let's just say that. It's pure immaturity. No excuses for Sarah.

Amanda

Some issues should be handled discreetly, particularly this one. I urge all of us to please discontinue the public personal speculation and negative personal observations unless you are willing to be part of the solution. Otherwise, you are part of the problem. I was always taught that you reap what you sow.

Let's move on...