2006 Atlantic City Pro

[B.A.]

Hey people!

First time posting here. Just wanted to provide a link to the 2006 Atlantic City Pro/Am show in September. I don't think this show is widely promoted, so I figured this was as good a place as any.

Unfortunately the website does not offer any online ticket ordering, so it has to be done by mail, or by phone.

Hopefully this show will be well attended so it can last more than one year.

http://www.ifbb-npcatlanticcityproam.com


B.A.

[cbdetroit]

Hey thanks for posting here and by the way to really get things going, I would first would like to know which Beautiful Women Bodybuilders and Fitness Women are going to particicpate in this contest?

Just curious and hoping that it would have a large turnout of FBB & Fitness competitors to keep this contest going, because the Ladies need more qualifiers just as much as their "figure" counterparts.

[hans]

Thanks BA. I like the address for the show - One Miss America Way. There should be a Ms Olympia Way too.... lol

Hans

[cbdetroit]

Cool address, but now let's find out if anyone knows who may attend this show since right after the Europa this would be the Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women's last qualifier of the year for the Olympia Weekend since there have been plenty of pro contests this year for figure.

Hopefully, next year the pro FBBs & Fitness Women would have more opportunities to qualify for the Olympia Weekend.

And anyone feel free to Holler because inquiring minds would like to know, Peace.:dj_spnnin:)

[Tre]

I wish there was more buzz about this event...my fingers are crossed that it'll be a real winner.

[cbdetroit]

I agree with you Tre 100%!!!!

There needs to be some buzz on this event since this is the final qualifier for the Olympia Weekend, so if anyone knows which Pro Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women are planning to compete at this event then please feel free to Holler, because inquiring minds would like to know peace.:dj_spnnin:)

PS: Who knows, maybe Gene & James may want to do a Live Webcam with the Ladies the day after the show.:)

[Michelle Brent]

Well since I now am only 45 min away from Ac. I will be there to root the gals on. I believe, CJ will be back stage helping out. She is number one for the women, www.cynthia-james.com.
Here goes some gals
Colette Nelson
Carla Salotti
Dee Gerard
Heather Foster
probables(guessing here)
Kim Perez
Vicki Nixon
Kim Buck depending on Europa showing
Rosemary Cheesman
Dena Westerfield or is she doing Europa?
Who can add to this??? :confused: :headscrat

[Wildangel]

Toni Norman & Gina Davis..unless they qualify for the O" Not sure about the rest...I do have the List from Betty as of yesterday for the women in the EUROPA!
Vicki Nix
www.vickinixon.com :sprite10:

[Michelle Brent]

POST IT VICKI!!! :camera: :woot:

[Wildangel]

Somebody beat me to it!! Its Now posted!!! Under the Europa Post.
Gotta love it!!
VN

[mark000]

Now that the Europa application deadline is passed (with over 20 IFBB FBBs - WOOO_HOOOO!!) I feel free to suggest that some European women hoping to get into the Ms O may do the Atlantic City show instead.

It is just a week before the Olympia, so they can stay in the US, avoiding a second cross ocean trip and time zone change.

[cbdetroit]

And you know what Mark000 Good Buddy, this contest would've been even sweeter if it would had Multiple weight classes including the Overall Champion to coincide with the IFBB/NPC 20% ruling. Then thing's would be much better.

[mark000]

I agree completely on the weight classes and may try to get a petition of competitors to restore it. I recently saw on a web site, I believe Marja Lehtonen's, that finishing in the top 3 of her class at the Ms O was a great experience for her.

In Marja's case, from the photos of the 2004 Ms O she may have deserved first overall, :star: but the point is true in general. A medalist (top 3) result in one's class is an honor many of the pro competitors have earned, likewise most of the pro women deserve top 5 placings. Also, it is much easier for Judges to compare, say, 7 outstanding physiques in a class than 21 in a field.

I have never seen a single good argument against weight classes. The only thing i can think of is that it may encourage some women to limit their development or take diuretics to make weight. But bodybuilders take diuretics anyway, and I think that a diversity of body types makes for a more interesting show.

As for the making weight issue, one way around it would be not to have fixed weight limits at a contest but simply arrange the field in weight order, into equal groups of 5 to 8. Class size would depend on the number of competitors. This would also reduce the pressure to take risks or limit development to make weight.

[cbdetroit]

And Mark000, you ought to let one of the new posters at these Forums know the same thing that you've told me about the benifits of having Multiple weight classes including the Overall Champion in Pro Ranks which is a Good thing.

Plus I agree with you on Marja Lehtonen as well. I've chatted with her on FT Webcam and she's Beautiful.

I wish you Good luck in getting the Ladies to restore the weight classes in the pros because I know that it's rough but if Pro FBBs just stand-up and let their voices be known then maybe some positive changes could be on the horizon.

And Mark, it seems like the 20% reduction ruling isn't so bad after all since everyone's starting to see the Women of Fitness & Figure starting to crossover into Bodybuilding which is very Good for the sport to keep it going.

I hope that more will follow in the future (especially on the "figure" end of the spectrum since that division is under scrunity at the moment as far as judging is concerned).:dj_spnnin:)

PS: We Need More Beautiful Sexy Women Bodybuilders (Including the Hardcore & Drug-Free Kind) Period.

[mark000]

Nicole Pfutzenreuter just got her pro card and says she will do the Atlantic City.

As for the 20% rule (only an IFBB rule, never NPC) it never made any sense mathematically. I thought that it really applied to hardness, not development.

It apparently was intended for only one person, Iris Kyle.
When they announced it, I said that if Iris cut back by 20% she would be in similar condition to Yaxeni, and Yax should therefore NOT change, and use her edge in size and symmetry. That is exactly what happend at the 2005 Ms O.
So at the 2006 Ms I, Iris came back bigger and harder, and the judges rewarded it. :wtf:

I think the women should forget about so called guidelines :stupid: and follow their own ideas of ideal shape.

[cbdetroit]

If you want my opinion Mark, It seems to me if they had the same judges at the Arnold's, that was also at the Olympia then it would be some bias.

Plus folks in the audience at the show as well as at various message boards would be pissed off at the results. Let's hope that the judging for this contest would be fair & impartial.

But as far as the 20% ruling it's definitely doing a Good job in rewarding the more Symmetrical physiques in the pros as opposed to the bulky massive look.

[Eddie]

Nicole Pfutzenreuter just got her pro card and says she will do the Atlantic City.

As for the 20% rule (only an IFBB rule, never NPC) it never made any sense mathematically. I thought that it really applied to hardness, not development.

It apparently was intended for only one person, Iris Kyle.
When they announced it, I said that if Iris cut back by 20% she would be in similar condition to Yaxeni, and Yax should therefore NOT change, and use her edge in size and symmetry. That is exactly what happend at the 2005 Ms O.
So at the 2006 Ms I, Iris came back bigger and harder, and the judges rewarded it. :wtf:

I think the women should forget about so called guidelines :stupid: and follow their own ideas of ideal shape.


Mark

I understand what your saying about the ladies looking they way they want to look........but I gotta ask you, what's the point of them competing in a so-call sport federation that's suppose to have guidelines in which to govern itself if their not following them??

You don't see other sports athletes not following the rules of their organization.

It seems as if they'd better off just modeling.

[tammyp]

is this show mens womens bb fitness and figure..ALL PRO?? i cant find any info on it any where!

[cbdetroit]

is this show mens womens bb fitness and figure..ALL PRO?? i cant find any info on it any where!Hey Tammyp, go and check out the link from B.A. on the 1st post on this thread and you won't miss it.

I also want to say that you looked Good at the Jr. Nationals in the Lightweight division. You'll make a Beautiful IFBB pro yourself. :)

[B.A.]

Unfortunately their website doesn't list what type of events there will be.

Here's the info. from the flyer I received when I ordered tickets...

2006 IFBB Atlantic and Fitness Champ. (Pro men's and women's bb; IFBB pro women's fitness)
2006 NPC Altantic City BB Champ.( men and women's bb, fitness and figure)-National Qualifier

Hope this helps.



So yes, it's men's and women's bb, and fitness and figure.

[tammyp]

Hey Tammyp, go and check out the link from B.A. on the 1st post on this thread and you won't miss it.

I also want to say that you looked Good at the Jr. Nationals in the Lightweight division. You'll make a Beautiful IFBB pro yourself. :)

gee thanks! next year i hope!

[chris10000]

i am curious bout the judging (20% less). now we have an amateur winner (heather p) heavier than ms.o. ???

[tammyp]

shes amazing though! i still want to stay a light weight, at 5 foot, i still want muscle to fit my frame and look good off season.

[cbdetroit]

Well, since the results have been posted for the 2006 Europa Show, I'm really going to be curious on how the hype for this last qualifier for the 2006 Olympia is going to turn out.

And despite the earlier post I especially want to know which Beautiful Hardcore Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women are really going to show up for this contest. And everyone doesn't have to worry about figure since there's been a whole bunch of figure contests up the whazzoo this year.

No hating or disrespect against the Figure Gals, but the FBB's and Fitness Women needs some positive recognition on this thread for a change both prejudging and in the evening finals. Hopefully right after the Europa, this will happen in the future.:)

[CalJoe]

I'm looking forward to see who shows up for the Atlantic City show, except the judges. :)

[jude 2]

Tazzie will be there to claim her spot for the Mrs. O.

[Nida]

when you are out there make sure you eat a REAL philly cheesesteak w/cheese whiz!!

[cbdetroit]

Ummm, I believe that the contest will be placed in Atlantic City, NJ not Philadelphia, PA so I doubt there will be servings of that sandwich at the contest, unless you're in Philly. :headscrat:o

Only two things will be going on at that location, Legalized Gambling and The Bodybuilding and Fitness Contest in my opinion (unless the promoters are planning adding a figure portion to the contest for some extra $$$$).

Again no hating on the Figure gals but both the Women Bodybuilders and Fitness Women have been screwed to the point to where they've only have very few Olympia Qualifiers vs the number of pro Figure contests.

No matter whether anyone agrees or not agree with the placings at the Europa Show would understand that the Pro FBB's & Fitness Women deserves much better treatment than they have last year as well as this year.

Hopefully this contest would have a Good turnout of Women in both Bodybuilding & Fitness as opposed to Figure to compete at this contest. That would be cool and maybe that would send a subliminal message to some of "the powers that be" to get a reality check and give the Ladies (in both pro Bodybuilding & Fitness) the chance to bring back somemore Olympia Qualifiers such as the Jan Tana, GNC Show of Strength, the Charlotte Pro Show and the Pro Worlds because there are already enough pro Figure contests to qualify for the Olympia Weekend and so it's only fair.

Give the Pro Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women their fair shot to qualify for the Olympia Weekend because it's the right thing to do.

And Ladies once you get your pro cards, then don't hesitate and start competing in the pros just so you can your sport alive because everyone's seeing what's happening with the Figure Ladies, jumping into the pros real quick right after recieving their pro cards. Just my 2 cents.:)

[mighty lightweight]

It sounds to me like pretty much everyone who competed in the Europa will be there as well as Betty Pariso and Cathy Priest. There were 25 women BB in Texas. Maybe a few of the European girls won't show??? Not sure but I think the line up will be deep!
C

[cbdetroit]

I hope that you're right Mighty Lightweight because it seems to me is that a lot is riding on this contest besides the Europa to get the pros (especially the New Generation that's joining the IFBB pro ranks).

Beyond that I'm glad that Symmetry & Proportion has made a tremendous comeback in the sport of Women's Bodybuilding. With the exception of the Olympia Weekend, the Mass movement is played out.:)

[Eddie]

For those who care, the WWE (World Wrestling Entertainment) just did a live show from Atlantic City last night [August 28]. Crowd turnout was large and loud as usual.

Let's hope for the same when the far less popular IFBB hits the town.

It especially needs to get noisy for the lady bodybuilders as its their last quailifier show.

[cbdetroit]

Well alright I'm ready for somemore hype from this last Olympia Qualifier so who's finally competing at this contest? Just curious.

If anyone knows, you know what to do.:)

[Emery Miller]

Well, my tickets and arrangements are all bought and paid for, so I will be there. I will be bringing a slightly denser, more complete package than what I presented in Texas to get my pro card. Conditioning is right on the money and I am primed and ready!

This is going to be a great show!!!!!!!!!!

[Procarri]

Definites from Oklahoma will be Kim Perez and Tonie Norman. Gina Davis still trying to heal a calf tear. :banana:

Heather Foster will also be competing!? :headscrat

[jasons805]

Heather Foster will also be competing!? :headscrat
Maybe it's just for a little extra cash who knows?

[cbdetroit]

That's Good news that Emery, Betty Pariso and Cathy Priest will be competing at the Atlantic City Pro Show.

I'm in favor of seeing a different variety of Women Bodybuilders and Fitness Women other than would what you would normally would see on stage over at the Olympia Weekend.

The more Women that have Symmetrically Balanced Physiques on stage, the better.:)

[Wildangel]

I will be there, hoping for a better placing than in Texas:)) Best of luck to everyone competing there!! So far there are 19 ladies in the Female Pro BB! The dealine is tommorrow.
Vicki Nix
www.vickinixon.com

[cbdetroit]

That's Great Wildangel (Vicki)!!!! The more contestants the Better. I would LOVE to see you on stage competing at the Olympia.

You looked Good in the photos that TomNine has taken of you.:)

[CalJoe]

It sounds to me like pretty much everyone who competed in the Europa will be there as well as Betty Pariso and Cathy Priest. There were 25 women BB in Texas. Maybe a few of the European girls won't show??? Not sure but I think the line up will be deep!
C
Between the expenses and what just happened at the Europa I'd be surprised if the European women show up for the Atlantic City show.

[CalJoe]

Definites from Oklahoma will be Kim Perez and Tonie Norman. Gina Davis still trying to heal a calf tear. :banana:

Heather Foster will also be competing!? :headscrat
I'm pulling for Kim Perez and Tazzie.... :banana:

[Maxt]

I am pulling for Tazzie. In the shape she's in she belongs in the Olympia.

[cbdetroit]

Well since there's no weight classes at this contest, then in my opinion the top 6 should be selected to compete at the Olympia Weekend this fall instead of 3 contestants in Bodybuilding & Fitness since folks were complaining about the results of the Europa over at "The Europa Show" thread.

[dacof]

Where are all the fitness girls!
Any lists floating around anywhere? I think the contracts are due soon, right?
Would love to see who is going. My unofficial list so far:

Katie Szep
Bridgette Murray
Angie
Lorie Kimes

There are obviously more girls that are going to step on stage...who are they!?

[cbdetroit]

Well Dacof, I'm sure that plenty of Fitness Women should be represented at this contest because just like the Women Bodybuilders, they've been pushed aside because of the Figure divsion and in my opinion both FBBs & Fitness Women need more contests because figure has gotten way too much hype.

[Wildangel]

CbDetroit, thank you for that!! I can only dream of the "O" at this point...lets just see what the Judges do in AC...after this show, I am taking off for awhile. A few weeks and a few good meals:)) Atlantic City here I come!!
Much love to you all!!
Little Vick :sprite10:

[cbdetroit]

You're welcome Vicki anytime. Good luck over at the Atlantic City Pro because in my opinion, you're ready to go on stage at the Olympia Weekend.

And I'm LOVING your Symmetry & Proportion big time.:)

[sjf450]

Is there a list of competitors for this show posted somewhere?

[Jason]

Helen Bouchard('03 Canadian Overall Champ)will be stepping onstage in NJ too.

[Procarri]

It seems Colette Nelson will also be competing again in Atlantic City. I guess I just dont quite get why you would compete so close to the Olympia you are already qualified for?. Its not like the money outweighs the expense. :1eek:
As a female competitor, doing two shows a year is harsh, 3 seems extreme for your body. JMO

With Heather Foster and Colette competing again, I wonder what the outcome will hold. :headscrat

[Emery Miller]

I do believe there are at least a couple of Debuts to made in Atlantic City. I'm hoping for at least one surprise! ;)

[cbdetroit]

Emery, I would LOVE to see what you'll look like come contest time because I LOVED the way you look when you've won the Middleweight Class and turned pro back at the 2004 NPC Nationals and I'll have to use that as a reference on how you'll look at this contest.

Your Symmetry & Proportion is very Beautiful & is definitely among the Best in the sport.:)

[dacof]

Here is this list I got off of another board. ....

As of September 9th, 2006

Fitness

Jennifer Cassety
Amy Huber
Donna Louise Jones
Jane Prado
Karen Walcott-Williams
Bethany Gainey
Tracey Greenwood
Lori kimes
Julie Lohre
Angela Montelone-Semach
Bridgette Murray
Julie Palmer
Karen Patten
Katie Szep


Women Bodybuilding

Irene Anderson
Angela Debatin
Denise Gerard
Aurelia Grozajova
Merete Hornnes
Mary Ellen Jerumbo
Cathy LeFrancois
Emery Miller
Gayle Moher
Vicki Nixon
Antoinette Norman
Betty Pariso
Debbie Patton
Carla Salotti
Helen Bouchard
Nathalie Abellan
Lisa Aukland
Mercedes Bazemore
Maria Calo
Marika Johansson
Klaudia Larson
Jana Linke-Sippl
Colette Nelson
Kim Perez
Nicole Pfutzenreuter
Tonia Villalobos

Mens Bodybuilding

Lee Apperson
Valentin Jabes
Johnnie Jackson
Ntuk Ntuk
Edson Prado
Greg Rando
Craig Richardson
Frank Roberson
Joel Stubbs
Milton Holloway
Tricky Jackson
George Turmon
Idrise Ward-El
Nathan Wonsley
Luke Ward

[cbdetroit]

Dacof, now that's Great and the best part about it there's no "FIGURE"!! Plus from the looks of it there's a Much Bigger line up of Women Bodybuilders as well as Fitness Women than at the Europa and the Ms. International. Now this is what a real pro contest should be about.

I wished that the IFBB Motor City Pro was about Bodybuilding & Fitness instead of figure since there are way too many figure contests out there period. Enough is enough bring on more Pro Women's Bodybuilding & Fitness contests since figure contest could do well on it's own plus that division has it's own fan base.

I know if both the "SHADOWMAN" as well as The General would've seen this, they both would be very happy.:) Thanks for the 411 Dacof, The "Motor City" fan will be fired up to see the results of this contest plus this Good part about it, if it's successful, it could help to bring back more contests for both Hardcore FBBs & Fitness Women such as the Jan Tana, GNC Show Of Strength, Pro Worlds and Women's Extravaganza.

Best of Luck to all of the Ladies who's competing at this contest because if it's going to be around next year than I'll have to either drive or fly out to New Jersey to attend this event.

I hope that the Administrators as well as the Physique Photographers who frequent this board would show us our Heroes in all of their Glory (including the Wild Webcam).;):)

[BodybuilderBeth]

So Glad to see Tonia Villalobos competing at the Atlantic City! I believe this is her first time competing since she got her Pro Card with me at the 2001 Nationals!

Wishing you all the best Tonia !!!! :sprite10:

Beth

[Echo]

So Glad to see Tonia Villalobos competing at the Atlantic City! I believe this is her first time competing since she got her Pro Card with me at the 2001 Nationals!
Wishing you all the best Tonia !!!! :sprite10:
Beth

Well, you beat me to the punch, BodybuilderBeth! Tonia Villalobos is an unexpected entry....and a very formidable competitor from California. This lady won the middleweight class at the Nationals and gave BodybulderBeth a "run for the money" for the overall title. She has been inactive since that time.

This lady had no major weaknesses when last seen. This picture of her from behind (2001) gives you folks some idea of what she potentially brings to the table, particularly when you consider the final three judging selections from the Europa. Let's see: Condition - check, Symmetry - check, Proportionate Muscle Size - check, Arms - check, Back - double check, Glute-Hamstrings - check, Calves - check.

O.K., Tonia, to you and everyone else that steps on stage in Atlantic City....bring it on!!


http://wpw.net/wpwclubs/0-intros/tvillalobos/club01/images/TV01.012b.jpg
Tonia Villalobos

[BodybuilderBeth]

Excellent post Echo!!!! I was looking through the photos I have to see if I had any good ones of Tonia to post. You beat me to that one.....

and you're right, she did give me a "run for the money"...

This show will definately be an interesting one!!!! Can't wait to see what happens!!! Especially with the top FBB's that are returning from the Europa to compete and how things will pan out with Betty P, Cathy L, & Lisa A. in the mix.....

I'm so happy with the turn out with these past shows. Glad to see the female athletes persevering!

Beth

[mark000]

Good News:
1) The size of the FBB field. :banana:

2) There is now a smilie for the judges: :3stooges:

3) They do seem to have a web site:
http://ifbb-npcatlanticcityproam.com/

Bad News:
1) It is one of the slowest loading sites I have ever seen.

2) There don't seem to be any rooms in the host hotel for under $300 /night :eek:

Can anyone suggest a reasonable hotel nearby?

[Maxt]

I think Heather and Colette have that unquenchable spirit for competion and it shows in their sucesses. Between the two of those ladies are some highly regarded victories.

[Echo]

Here is a front view photo of Tonia Villalobos:

http://www.repetrope.com/assets/content/Media01/galleries/21020/fullsize/21020-villalobos-t-03.jpg (http://www.repetrope.com/women/products/galleryindex.asp?ProductID=21020)

[Echo]

It was also five years ago that one of our forum members won the Heavyweight and Overall title at 2001 NPC Women's National Bodybuilding Championships. Here's a picture of BodybuilderBeth on the night of her big win:


http://www.repetrope.com/assets/content/Media01/galleries/21020/fullsize/21020-roberts-b-09.jpg (http://www.repetrope.com/women/products/galleryindex.asp?ProductID=21020)

[femalemusclefan]

That's a great picture of Beth!
She looks awesome, checkout those biceps.....WOW! :)

[BodybuilderBeth]

Thanks Echo for posting that silly picture of me..... don't ask me what I'm grimicing about? Must of been part of my routine....lol lol yeah that's it!!!

I'm really hoping and praying I can compete next year in one of these shows! Now, I must be patient and give my love and support to my fellow FBB athlete's!

:star:

Beth

[BodybuilderBeth]

I know the thread is about the Atlantic City show along with mention of Tonia Villalobos competing (which I think is really nice to see), but I'd like to show some love for my mamasita Beth :) .

Thank you so much for everything, Joe! You are so Sweet!!! Hopefully next year at this time you will be there for me when I finally do compete!

Kisses,

Beth

[clrupert]

Awesome Beth. Keep up the hard work in the gym and it will be awesome to see you on stage competing again!

[cbdetroit]

It was also five years ago that one of our forum members won the Heavyweight and Overall title at 2001 NPC Women's National Bodybuilding Championships. Here's a picture of BodybuilderBeth on the night of her big win:


http://www.repetrope.com/assets/content/Media01/galleries/21020/fullsize/21020-roberts-b-09.jpg (http://www.repetrope.com/women/products/galleryindex.asp?ProductID=21020)OOH LA LA, OH MY GOD!!!! Now this is what Real Beautiful Harcore Women's Bodybuilding's all about!!!!

And I remember watching the broadcast of the that show on Fox Sports Net's "Musclesport USA" coverage of the 2001 NPC Nationals and Beth looked so Beautiful and had the total package of what I LOVE in Woman and that's what gets me so fired up to check out Major shows like the North Americans, Nationals as well as the Pro Shows live.

I'm looking forward to seeing your comback to the Stage.

And Beth you have some of the Best Symmetry & Proportion out there that I've ever seen.:)

Now I'm fired up and motivated to see how this Olympia Qualifier is going to turn out.

[cbdetroit]

Ok now that the Canadian Nationals and North Americans hype is over with, then now we could go ahead and get started on hyping up this contest because I'm fired up and motivated to see how things are going to turn out.:)

[Maxt]

Hey Chris I saw a picture of Marika Johansson from Sweden on Muscle Mayhem. She's been training for the Atlantic City Pro at Milos Sarcev's Collosseum Gym which is a little ways out from Venice Beach, California by the Highway maybe an hour's drive and she says that she has been having a hard time keeping up her weight having to eat a lot of food to stay big. Some ladies I know that are training for this show should have such problems, eh? Well she came in 13th at the Europa but was proportioned and freaky vascular and shredded thanks to some guidance from contest prep experts and former IFBB pro men like Dorian Yates and Milos Sarcev. She's got a great look that I say with a little bit more muscle mass could be the ultimate "Total Package." I am surprised she is not more popular but she spens a lot of time in her native Sweden.

[Maxt]

OOH LA LA, OH MY GOD!!!! Now this is what Real Beautiful Harcore Women's Bodybuilding's all about!!!!

And I remember watching the broadcast of the that show on Fox Sports Net's "Musclesport USA" coverage of the 2001 NPC Nationals and Beth looked so Beautiful and had the total package of what I LOVE in Woman and that's what gets me so fired up to check out Major shows like the North Americans, Nationals as well as the Pro Shows live.

I'm looking forward to seeing your comback to the Stage.

And Beth you have some of the Best Symmetry & Proportion out there that I've ever seen.:)

Now I'm fired up and motivated to see how this Olympia Qualifier is going to turn out. Bodybuilder Beth, you're looking good! I saw you at that show as well as at the Jan Tana. I can't wait until you get back out there on the stage?

[Maxt]

It was also five years ago that one of our forum members won the Heavyweight and Overall title at 2001 NPC Women's National Bodybuilding Championships. Here's a picture of BodybuilderBeth on the night of her big win:


http://www.repetrope.com/assets/content/Media01/galleries/21020/fullsize/21020-roberts-b-09.jpg (http://www.repetrope.com/women/products/galleryindex.asp?ProductID=21020)That is what I am talking about . Oooooooohhh baby!

[Michelle Brent]

I'm jumping up and down in my computer chair!! LOL Beth, can't wait to see you on stage, and so thankful to have you as a friend now, and am excited to see Tonia V and others on stage there this weekend, I'm there in the front row this Sat!!!!

[ripitupbaby]

Good Luck to Carla Salotti, the Mighty Lightweight!!! We'll be cheering you on all the way!
Carla, you are truly an inspiration to all us "little" BBs!! Go get 'em, you will look fabulous up there!!!
:sprite10:


P.S. Good luck to Vicki Nixon too, I have great respect for the smaller FBBs who can give the other pros a run for their money!
:cheers:

[eseiple]

Ill be there judging the amateurs on fri night then will be hanging out having a good time on sat! Can't wait to see everyone.

[Maxt]

I wanted to give a link to Muscle Mayhem where there was a discussion about Marika Johansson and a photo of her two weeks out from the Atlantic City Pro. http://www.musclemayhem.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41942

[Wildangel]

Thank you!! I will give it my BEST!! There will be at least 25 ladies there! There are 27 on the list...usually you get a couple that are No shows. It will be really exciting to be at a New Pro show!!! God knows we BB's need more!! Lets Hope its a BIG success!!! Here I go again!! Carla & I have been supporting each other for several weeks now via e-mails...we are gonna have some fun for sure!!!
Little but Mighty!! Here we come AC!!
Vicki Nix
www.vickinixon.com :sprite10:

[cbdetroit]

Hey Wildangel (Vicki) best of luck to you because you deserve to qualify for the Olympia Weekend big time.

And I'm wondering if Gene's on assignment over at the IFBB Worlds, is James going to cover the Atlantic City or is TomNine, Physique-Art Mike or anyone of the Physique Photographers from the Forums because I'm excited to see how Wonderful the Ladies are going to be at the peak of perfection, Thanks.

You Guys take Great photos.:)

[Maxt]

Good question Chris I hope some good photographers will be at this thing because as you now may know there is nothing like being at a real contest with the greatest pro physiques trying to go all out and make that Olympia stage. We need shows like the Europa and the Atlantic City Pro or even the Bodyrock as well as the Olymia and the Arnold's because I miss the days of the Womens Extravaganza, the Jan Tana or even the Ms. Olympia like even the days when it was held in Madison Square's Felt Forum or the Beacon Theater on Broadway during Thanksgiving weekend and televised! We just need to get female bodybuilding back to those days as well as push fitness and figure because we cannot neglect our beautiful and sexy fitness and figure girls either Chris because you know many of them are my "heroes" just like female bodybuilders and I truly believe that all of these lovely women who strive for physical perfection as they do are truly "gifts from god!"

[cbdetroit]

Actually Maxt both Women's Bodybuilding & Fitness needs a push more so than figure since that division has had more Amateur & Pro contests than both Women's Bodybuilding & Fitness.

And that's one of the reasons why I've stated why I'm Glad that threre's no Figure at this contest. Figure can thrive on it's own and doesn't need to be on the same card as with the other two divisions.

Heck at the North Americans there was way, way too much figure. And I remember when I first started attending Bodybuilding Contests back in the day (and Let me remind you Maxt, that this was before Fitness & Figure ever existed) that there was an overwhelming majority of Beautiful Women Bodybuilders, But when Fitness came on the scene it wasn't much of a threat and both divisions coexisted peacefully.

Only figure is more of a threat to both divisions. You should go and check out The General's "Flex swimsuit edition" thread from his profile out since it used to be in the Forums General Discussion Section and you'll get the whole picture.

Beyond that I hope that this contest will be a sucess and open the door for more Bodybuilding & Fitness contests for the Women in the future.:)

[big girl]

Good luck to my good friend Helen Bouchard! :big grin
It's been tons of hard work - but she is looking awesome!
Very proud of her!

[chris10000]

some videostills from a shooting today

[chris]

Any Chance BodyBuildingBeth can post a recent photo??

[Wildangel]

Thanks for the love!! I am 1 hr away from leaving for Atlantic City!!! Wahooo! Gonna be a great BIG show for the female BB's!! :sprite10:
I hope to place well...would love to make TOP 5...but after what happened in Texas...ya just never know! No matter what I am just glad to have made it this far!! I have had to many health issues this year to mention, but I just KEPT on Pumpin regarless!! Now, I think I have a new injury...knee keeps giving out...wondering if its my ACL? I have a MRI lined up for next week, the Show must go on:))
Say some prayers for me!! I will represent the Little Girls!! Litle BUT Mighty!
Peace
Vick
www.vickinixon.com
I know that Mike from herbiceps WILL be there!!

[Maxt]

It is definitely going to be a throw-DOWN in AC this weekend Fanatic!

[sjf450]

Where will we be able to see photos

[rpflex]

Thanks for the love!! I am 1 hr away from leaving for Atlantic City!!! Wahooo! Gonna be a great BIG show for the female BB's!! :sprite10:
I hope to place well...would love to make TOP 5...but after what happened in Texas...ya just never know! No matter what I am just glad to have made it this far!! I have had to many health issues this year to mention, but I just KEPT on Pumpin regarless!! Now, I think I have a new injury...knee keeps giving out...wondering if its my ACL? I have a MRI lined up for next week, the Show must go on:))
Say some prayers for me!! I will represent the Little Girls!! Litle BUT Mighty!
Peace
Vick
www.vickinixon.com
I know that Mike from herbiceps WILL be there!!

Good luck Vicki from me and Barry! You show them that sometimes the best things come in small(er) packages. Hope your injury turns out to be something minor - hang in there. You have lots of people pulling for you.

[chris10000]

videostill from jana today.
jana will be ten pounds heavier than at the europe

[femalemusclefan]

Jana looks simply awesome Chris! :)
Thanks for the pictures, and wish her All the Best from me! :sprite10:

[chris10000]

clips are there
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=chris10000

[femalemusclefan]

Thanks Chris! :carrot:

[Dre']

Hello Everyone
I am new to the forum but not new to the site. I wanted to post some pictures of Mercedes Bazemore from Va Beach that Reg Bradford took yesterday. She is in awesome shape and should do some damage tomorrow. I am extremely proud of her hard work. She has put on 20lbs since her last pro debut at the Europa 2 years ago. I hope you guys enjoy.
Go Get em Mercedes and to Reg.......Fantastic work as always
Dre'

[debbie bramwell]

Wanted To Send A Shoutout To All The Ladies At The Atlantic Pro Show!! Have A Great Weekend And Kick Butt!! See Many Of You In Vegas Next Weekend! Oxoxo

[hans]

Welcome to the board Dre!

Hans

[Nath.]

Best of luck to my very good friend Helen Bouchard!!! :star:

[CanonGirl]

I called and talked to Cathy LeFrancois earlier this week.

She's excited and ready to get back on the bodybuilding stage where her physique and heart belongs. Good luck to all the ladies competing this weekend! It's going to be a fantastic showing.

[femalemusclefan]

Hello Everyone
I am new to the forum but not new to the site. I wanted to post some pictures of Mercedes Bazemore from Va Beach that Reg Bradford took yesterday. She is in awesome shape and should do some damage tomorrow. I am extremely proud of her hard work. She has put on 20lbs since her last pro debut at the Europa 2 years ago. I hope you guys enjoy.
Go Get em Mercedes and to Reg.......Fantastic work as always
Dre'

Welcome to the forums Dre'! :)
Thank you for the pictures of Mercedes, she has a great physique especially her biceps, they are huge! :cool:

Good Luck Mercedes! :sprite10:

[dacof]

I went to the NPC show last night...Wanted to send out congrats to my sister Caroline for winning the fitness division. Way to go girl!

Heading back today for the pre-judging and finals. Can not wait! Should be a great show. Saw many competitors walking aroung last night...everyone looks great. I will be there cheering on all the girls but especially my sister Katie! Go get em Kate!

Good luck everyone!

[cbdetroit]

I'm very interested to see how Good the turnout is for this show and I hope that this show would be around for a long time because Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women need a pro qualifer other than the Ms. International & the Europa to qualify for the Olympia Weekend.

I hope that the contest will live up to the hype and will be a success.:)

[mark000]

There were 27 FBBs, about 18 fitness, no figure.

Most of the FBBs looked fantastic. Judging looked much more reasonable IMHO from the callouts.

First called were Lisa Aukland in the FBB and Tracey Greenwood in the Fitness - BOTH PhD's!!
I agree that both look the best.

Lisa in particular is taking no prisoners - she is destroying a field of magnificent women.

First callout in Fitness was 4 women who have done well in the past:
Tracey Greenwood, Angie Semsch, Julie Palmer and Stacy Simons.

First callout in FBB was Lisa Aukland in perfect shape - if she comes in like that next week she will be a top contender in the Ms O. Incredibly hard while still looking strong and healthy, fantastic depth and detail in her back and abs, arms noticably improved with a stunning biceps peak, and of course legs second to none, and everything fits together wonderfully. Very graceful posing, too. She looks radiant.

Next called was Helen Bouchard, immense, symmetrical, defined, but not as tight or symmetrical as Lisa.

The other callouts were different in the symmetry and muscularity round, but it looks as if the other top placers will be Tazzie, Cathy LeFrancois, and maybe Gayle Moher.

Colette Nelson is in excellent shape, maybe tighter than in Dallas but is in the second group along with Betty Pariso, Kim Perez and Tonie Norman.

Honorable mention from me, but not the judges, to Jana Linke-Sippl,
who came in bigger than in Dallas, still well defined with great shapes, but not as ripped.
That's all for now.

[Brandi Burns]

Oh good. Im so happy for Helen.

[jamies]

GO HELEN!!!!!!

Love ya girl, go kick some a$*!!!!!!

Jamie

[hans]

Thanks for the update Mark. Great to hear Lisa is in such great shape - can't wait to see the pics.

Hans

[CalJoe]

There were 27 FBBs, about 18 fitness, no figure.

Most of the FBBs looked fantastic. Judging looked much more reasonable IMHO from the callouts.

First called were Lisa Aukland in the FBB and Tracey Greenwood in the Fitness - BOTH PhD's!!
I agree that both look the best.

Lisa in particular is taking no prisoners - she is destroying a field of magnificient women.

First callout in Fitness was 4 women who have done well in the past:
Tracey Greenwood, Angie Semsch, Julie Palmer and Stacy Simons.

First callout in FBB was Lisa Aukland in perfect shape - if she comes in like that next week she will be a top contender in the Ms O. Incredibly hard while still looking strong and healthy, fantastic depth and detail in her back and abs, arms noticably improved with a stunning biceps peak, and of course legs second to none, and everything fits together wonderfully. Very graceful posing, too. She looks radiant.

Next called was Helen Bouchard, immense, symmetrical, defined, but not as tight or symmetrical as Lisa.

The other callouts were different in the symmetry and muscularity round, but it looks as if the other top placers will be Tazzie, Cathy LeFrancois, and maybe Gayle Moher.

Colette Nelson is in excellent shape, maybe tighter than in Dallas but is in the second group along with Betty Pariso, Kim Perez and Tonie Norman.

Honorable mention from me, but not the judges, to Jana Linke-Sippl,
who came in bigger than in Dallas, still well defined with great shapes, but not as ripped.
That's all for now.
Thanks for the post Mark. I would have liked to have seen Lisa and Helen go at it. Lisa continues to improve, and Helen is better than most people realize. Happy to hear about Lisa and Helen's callout, and I wish them the best along with the other competitors. :)

[tammyp]

how abour miss carla???? its her pro debut!

[cbdetroit]

Hey Mark000, thanks for the 411 on the contest, and it's Great news to hear that Lisa Aukland's Physique is at the Peak of perfection in this contest as well as Helen Bouchard. I hope that both of these Women would qualify to compete at the Olympia Weekend real soon that would be nice.

I also would hope that there would be some photos available from some of the physique photographers from these fourms so we'll be able to see the Women in top condition which also would be nice as well.

Make sure you or someone let us know how the end results turn out for both Women's Bodybuilding & Fitness, thanks.:)

[Amanda Dunbar]

From what I was told:
1. Lisa Aukland
2. Helen
3. Tazzie
4. Gayle
5. Betty Pariso
6. Kim Perez
7. ??
8. Colette Nelson

This is all I have heard. So qualifications went to: Helen B., Tazzie, and Gayle. Lisa already is qualifed.

Congrats to everyone!

Amanda

[CalJoe]

From what I was told:
1. Lisa Aukland
2. Helen
3. Tazzie
4. Gayle
5. Betty Pariso
6. Kim Perez
7. ??
8. Colette Nelson

This is all I have heard. So qualifications went to: Helen B., Tazzie, and Gayle. Lisa already is qualifed.

Congrats to everyone!

Amanda
Michelle Brent called me and told me
1. Lisa Auckland
2. Helen Bouchard
3. Tazzie C.
4. Gayle Moher
5. Betty P.
6. T. Norman
7. Kim Perez
11. Emery Miller
15. Carla S.
below 15- J. Sippl from Germany. I'd be surprised if she comes back for another serving of the crap they've fed her at these shows.

congrats to everyone :sprite10:

[chris10000]

who cares, who won????? if there is no fair comparision. its like roulette.
one clip backstage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic1U9uxyXZc

[Maxt]

We want to know who won Chris. I was very impressed with those pictures of Helen Bouchard guest posing at the Canadian Nationals. I know Lisa Aukland has got a great package and she did not need to travel very far for the show. Finally I am glad we have people at this forum who so diligently send results in realtime. Awesome. Female bodybuilders are not just my "heroes" but "gifts from god."

[chris10000]

ok- in other words. now you know who won. but you dont know who was the best on stage (if you was not there).
if they dont compare jana with the first....

[Maxt]

Jana? Jana Linke-Sippl, right? She's good, no doubt. She's got size top and bottom, but not yet quite the perfect proportions from the pictures I saw of her at the Europa. Do you think she's up there at the top? I think she's good but maybe needs some more competition, maybe needs to streamline her look. We have great women from all over the world coming to these shows no doubt and I think the judges need to give ALL competitors a good look at prejudging, an oppurtunity to pose in the Evening Show and most importantly a fair chance.

[ISABELLE TURELL]

Where are the photos at???????

[chris10000]

Jana? Jana Linke-Sippl, right? She's good, no doubt. She's got size top and bottom, but not yet quite the perfect proportions from the pictures I saw of her at the Europa. Do you think she's up there at the top? I think she's good but maybe needs some more competition, maybe needs to streamline her look. We have great women from all over the world coming to these shows no doubt and I think the judges need to give ALL competitors a good look at prejudging, an oppurtunity to pose in the Evening Show and most importantly a fair chance.
so you was not there! first: this was the atlantic, not the euro! at the euro she did what they wanted (20%less). here she was 10 pounds heavier.
she belongs to the top. she was by far the heaviest and best defined on this stage. but if they dont compare her with the best, we will not know who was the best. at least she belongs to the top five and not last place!!!!

[Maxt]

You are probably right. I'll keep an eye out for her next time.

[fbbhubby]

Anyone have an idea as to how many judges there were international and not American? With such a significant number of european and other international competitors, it seems like a certain number of judges should be international judges, not a American dominated judging panel.

[eseiple]

I was at the show. Lisa Aukland and Helen and Tazzie all looked amazing. Gayle Moher was smaller than normal but when she started to pose she really came alive. I thought Betty perhaps for higher placing though.
Unless you were there you can't be a armchair quarterback.
I think they made good decisions based upon what I saw

[chris10000]

you was there at the prejudging also?
if so maybe you can tell me why jana linke-sippl didnt got a callout???

[chris10000]

Anyone have an idea as to how many judges there were international and not American? With such a significant number of european and other international competitors, it seems like a certain number of judges should be international judges, not a American dominated judging panel.
normally judges have to be neutral!!!!
what personal favorites and other interest they have should not be part of their work!!!

[chris10000]

Anyone have an idea as to how many judges there were international and not American? With such a significant number of european and other international competitors, it seems like a certain number of judges should be international judges, not a American dominated judging panel.
just heard from the austrian federation (in 2 weeks is austria pro grand prix) that the ifbb is sending judges from us there to a "avoid unfair judging"
what tells this?????

[cbdetroit]

We want to know who won Chris. I was very impressed with those pictures of Helen Bouchard guest posing at the Canadian Nationals. I know Lisa Aukland has got a great package and she did not need to travel very far for the show. Finally I am glad we have people at this forum who so diligently send results in realtime. Awesome. Female bodybuilders are not just my "heroes" but "gifts from god."Well Maxt I'm just waking up and I just found out the Good News that a couple of our Heroes (Lisa Aukland, Helen Bouchard & you can also throw in Gayle Moher, LOVE her Symmetry & Proportion) have qualified for the Olympia Weekend.

And so in October I'm going to be glued to FTV/Genex for all of the Olympia Weekend action for the results of the competition in both Women's Bodybuilding & Fitness.

On the Men's Side it's pretty much the same top two Guys, & one of them is gunning to beat Lee Haney's 8 Mr. Olympia wins.

But like I said being a Lisa Aukland/Helen Bouchard fan I'm glad that they've made it and congratulations to Lisa on her win because she deserve it.:)

[hans]

Here are a couple of photos from bodybuilding.com

Prejudging front lat spread comparison between Colomb, Bouchard, and Aukland:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006atlpics17.jpg

Winner Aukland hitting a side chest pose:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006atlpics19.jpg

Thanks for those links FBBfanatic - for once this site isn't the first with pics.

Lisa looks amazing - check out her hamstrings and the lines in her ass. Way to go Lisa! Tazzie and Helen look awesome too. It's great to see Tazzie competing again - I remember when she first came on the scene, in the early 90s - and very cool that she'll be onstage at the Olympia again.

I guess red is the in color for posing suits at the moment!

Hans

[Mike]

Lisa has it all. Fantastic overall winner for the show!

[genex]

Thanks for the updates everyone. Looks like the Olympia lineup is set. I was wondering how the judges were going to rate Helen Bouchard after seeing her last week looking incredible at the Canadians.

Wish I could have been there!

[mark000]

The bad news is that Tracey Greenwood hurt her wrist toward the end of a sensational routine, spoiling the historic double PhD winners scenario.

The good news is that the FBB judging was much improved, the top 3 were reasonable, Tazzie got the Olympia qualification she earned in Dallas.

Jana definitely belonged up there with them in the first comparison, also Kim Perez. Kim still needs to bring up her legs a bit, 5th would have been right for her.

I had Lisa clear first, her physique was the most harmonious, her condition was perfect, and she has a lot of super parts which fit together like a Beethoven symphony.

I would have liked to see Jana compared with Helen and Tazzie - I had Jana clear first in Dallas, and she was fuller and more symmetrical at this show. I may have been wrong about her being less ripped - she showed spectacular cross striations in her triceps, etc.

The other good news is that Jana doesn't let bad judging stop her.

A lot of other women looked great, I'll send more comments when I get home.

[CalJoe]

normally judges have to be neutral!!!!
what personal favorites and other interest they have should not be part of their work!!!
You would think that' the way it should be, but I don't think it's the case here.

[CalJoe]

just heard from the austrian federation (in 2 weeks is austria pro grand prix) that the ifbb is sending judges from us there to a "avoid unfair judging"
what tells this?????
Judges from here are going to Austria to make sure the judging is fair??? Wow, I've been walking around feeling pretty sore from lifting, so I needed a good laugh.

[Maxt]

Austria might not have enough IFBB Qualified Judges.

[Maxt]

You would think that' the way it should be, but I don't think it's the case here.What happened now?

[stephanie]

The bad news is that Tracey Greenwood hurt her wrist toward the end of a sensational routine, spoiling the historic double PhD winners scenario.
.


hey Mark, Tracey is going to be ok, she did not hurt her wrist...she actually tore a ligament in her thumb, which has caused some bruising and swelling, but she will be at the Olympia ready to go. She has made a small modification to her routine and will be doing most of her routine using a closed fist instead of a flat hand!

[Michelle Brent]

good to know was there a watcxhed it happen!! YEAH!!

[jude 2]

Lisa presented a great package. Glad to see my girl Tazzie get 3. Can't wait to go to the O next weekend.

[EdL]

Glad to see Lisa and Tazzie do well and get recognized by the judges this time. They both belong on the MS. O stage. Can't wait to see the Ms. Olympia next weekend and meeting everyone. If you see me in Gator orange and blue, please say 'hi'.

[CalJoe]

What happened now?
The European women continue to get horrendous callouts and are largely overlooked.

[CalJoe]

Austria might not have enough IFBB Qualified Judges.
The reason the judges were going over there was not because there aren't enough qualified judges, but to "avoid unfair judging", or so they say. Besides, you call the Europa judges qualified?

[chris10000]

Besides, you call the Europa judges qualified?
thanks for answering for me. only that everybody understand: you meant the judges at the europa pro show, not european judges!!

[Maxt]

The reason the judges were going over there was not because there aren't enough qualified judges, but to "avoid unfair judging", or so they say. So who says? The Austrian Federation. Who in the Austrian Federation? If they were to get an IFBB sanction for a show like a Grand Prix after the Olympia they would get IFBB judges. Those judges are not all going to come from Austria. That is the way it is.

[jasons805]

what was with the Cathy drama backstage anyone hear about that?

[Maxt]

I read on another website that she was extremely displeased about her place in the show and said something obscene about one of the other competitors that finished ahead of her. One of the reasons she may have been so mad may have been because somebody told her if she did this show she'd probably get a spot at the Olympia? I have to say I do sympathize with her predicament. The situation with professional women's bodybuilding is not ideal. There are a lot of great IFBB pro's and they will not all make it every year. Aside from the Europa or the Atlantic City Pro it would be great to see shows like the Jan Tana or the Women's Extravaganza still in business. I think to ensure more commercial success of womens pro bodybuilding shows in the IFBB there will have to be guidelines ensuring femininity and a conscious effort to ensure that high placers at the Ms. Olympia will have mainstream appeal to secondary markets and the general public.

[rpflex]

The situation with professional women's bodybuilding is not ideal. There are a lot of great IFBB pro's and they will not all make it every year. Aside from the Europa or the Atlantic City Pro it would be great to see shows like the Jan Tana or the Women's Extravaganza still in business. I think to ensure more commercial success of womens pro bodybuilding shows in the IFBB there will have to be guidelines ensuring femininity and a conscious effort to ensure that high placers at the Ms. Olympia will have mainstream appeal to secondary markets and the general public.

If you go to http://www.muscleradio.com/ Chad Nicholls mentions at the end of the interview that he and Kim are considering adding pro bodybuilding to their IFBB All-Star Pro Fitness Chamionships. I suppose the name may be something like the IFBB All-Star Pro Chamionships, in that case. At any rate, it would be a very smart move.

Thanks to the many women who showed up in great shape to compete at this years two open shows, promoters and the federation must recognize that the sport is far from dead or dying. :cheers:

[Maxt]

That would be great Robin. May I also include that you are a class act? I am a big fan from way back. I always thought it would be great to see some Pro Women at The Bodyrock?

[bigbrother]

Austria might not have enough IFBB Qualified Judges.
its not about having enough qualified judges.
Its fair to have an eclectic panel of judges composed by men/women of different nations, for a contest that gathers competitors from all over the world.
In my opinion this would seal the comments about one way judging.

I was shocked to see so few comparisons at US shows.
First call out are top contestants for sure, but in europe they compare them with second and third call outs and make them work for the top spots.
In the US it seems like first call made by the head judge seals it.
The 7 other judges somehow agree and thats it.
Its not even fun to watch when there is no battle.

[eseiple]

Actually they did many call outs. The first call outs did not seal the show. THey called Cathy, Lisa and Helen in the first callout, then they called out another group of 5, pulled cathy back in and the mix kept going like that. Gayle Mohr was in like the third group of callouts int he symmetry round so on and so forth. The only people I knew were definately in the top 3 were Liza and Helen...then from there they did a good job I thought of comparing the women to each other and different lookes with different people etc. The judging was definately not rushed and I was impressed with the time they gave the competitors on stage.

Some people may look GREAT when compared to themselves but then when they are put up against the other women they don't look so good anymore. I didn't feel there was a personal agenda against the European women. I felt they made good calls for most of the time. This show the bigger women definately had an advantage. Personally I loved the look of one of the smaller competitors Emery Miller. Colette Nelson looked even better than she was at the Europa...and I would have had her higher. But to be honest this group of women looked pretty good . Helen I had the opportunity to speak to was I think pretty happy with her call outs...she almost seemed shocked...LOL
Cathy was just a sweet woman and I had the chance to talk to her for a while.

I was glad to see so many women on stage....

[ripitupbaby]

Reg Bradford's site has some pics of the show in a free gallery.
www.superbodypart.net

Everyone looked fantastic!!

[Amanda Dunbar]

If you go to http://www.muscleradio.com/ Chad Nicholls mentions at the end of the interview that he and Kim are considering adding pro bodybuilding to their IFBB All-Star Pro Fitness Chamionships. I suppose the name may be something like the IFBB All-Star Pro Chamionships, in that case. At any rate, it would be a very smart move.

Thanks to the many women who showed up in great shape to compete at this years two open shows, promoters and the federation must recognize that the sport is far from dead or dying. :cheers:


Robin,

When is his All-Star Pro Fitness show? You and I need to figure out shows for this year..... We'll be talking soon. Let me know about this Chad/Kim show.

Love ya,
Amanda

[Alexander]

Russian foto :sprite10:

[Alexander]

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[Alexander]

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[rpflex]

Robin,

When is his All-Star Pro Fitness show? You and I need to figure out shows for this year..... We'll be talking soon. Let me know about this Chad/Kim show.

Love ya,
Amanda

Hey Amanda - This year it was in the middle of July and was held in Little Rock, Arkansas. I am assuming this is the show he was referring to. Can't wait to see you and Mimi on stage!

Big Hug - Robin

[CalJoe]

So who says? The Austrian Federation. Who in the Austrian Federation? If they were to get an IFBB sanction for a show like a Grand Prix after the Olympia they would get IFBB judges. Those judges are not all going to come from Austria. That is the way it is.
I responded to Chris10000's original post stating the IFBB concern over possible "unfair judging" at the Austrian show. If the IFBB wants to send people over to Austria to make sure things are run properly and within guidelines is one thing, but to be concerned over "unfair judging" is quite laughable, especially when you consider how the European competitors were scored at the 2 most recent shows (the Europa being the most glaring example).

[Maxt]

I don't think it is about unfair judging. I think it is standard procedure for the IFBB to send their officials to the Grand Prix events following the Olympia and it has been going on for some time. The Grand Prix is a Pro show for men with many or most of the competitors comprised of competitors that competed in the Olympia.

[CalJoe]

I don't think it is about unfair judging. I think it is standard procedure for the IFBB to send their officials to the Grand Prix events following the Olympia and it has been going on for some time. The Grand Prix is a Pro show for men with many or most of the competitors comprised of competitors that competed in the Olympia.
I'm beginning to think that you just like taking the opposite point of view regardless of all considerations. Chris10000 says he got his info directly from the Austrian federation concerning the IFBB sending people to Austria. Nothing was mentioned in Chris10000's post about the IFBB making sure there was compliance with rules, protocols, procedures etc. Chris10000 post clearly states that the Austrian officials stated that the IFBB was going there to insure "fair judging". If you have an insatiable thirst to argue about this then take it up with Chris10000, since he is the one that spoke to the Austrians, not me, and certainly not you.

[Eddie]

Well it seems the IFBB managed to get the champion for this event right for a change. Congrats to Lisa Aukland, now lets hope gets the same respect this weekend for the Olympia.

And I will admit that Helen Bouchard surprised me with her placing.
But I did notice she was not as huge as I thought she was gonna be.

Forgot to mention how glad I am to see Cathy LeFrancois back.
She should have been fourth though over Gayle Moher who I also like..

The thing I am disappointed about is seeing the lighter athletes continue to struggle. Now there will be more crying out for weight classes to return and now I guess I can't blame, even though I still disagree with it.

I hope Vicki Nixon and Carla Salotti give pro bodybuilding a least one more shot next year. I know they can win and I hope they know they can win, It just sickens how the judges refuse to agree.

First shot is Cathy, second shot is Gayle

[Tre]

I was glad to see so many women on stage....
This point should not be understated.

I'm amazed that so many women bodybuilders turned up to compete in a show that virtually no one else even heard about. I don't have the numbers in front of me right now, but 27 has to rank among the highest-ever turnouts for a women's pro show.

I'm sorry to hear that the crowd was so small, but thrilled to hear that the stage was overflowing with beautiful pro physiques.

Well done.

[Eddie]

Also had to acknowledge Debbie Pattion and Emery Miller on their physique changes by adding more size.....seems like its just enough along with their balance and for them to be top contenders in the future.

And I hope also Marika Johanssen stick with BB as well.
I know she's gotta be upset with her low placing despite great conditioning.

First shot is Debbie, second is Emery, and third is Marika

[chris10000]

then from there they did a good job I thought of comparing the women to each other and different lookes with different people etc. The judging was definately not rushed and I was impressed with the time they gave the competitors on stage


they did a good job to let the pro shows american championships!
if you dont compare the biggest and most defined woman jana linke-sippl in the muscularity round with the other big girls, how can you tell, they made a good job?
maybe they where afraid that the audience see even better whats going on?
jana was in the lineup next to betty pariso and she was bigger and better ripped. and then she got the very last callout!!
if they have lisa and helen in the first places, who was also very muscular,how can they gave jana last place?????

[MsGuns]

I felt like I was at the show looking @ those pics...WOW
Great pics...

Reg Bradford's site has some pics of the show in a free gallery.
www.superbodypart.net

Everyone looked fantastic!!

[eseiple]

The crowd wasn't too small it was just such a huge venue.

[cbdetroit]

Big time props to Reg Bradford for the Beautiful Photos of our Heroes that competed at this contest, plus it's Great that this show didn't have that much negativity that folks kept hyping about with the Europa.

I wasn't there to see it live but overall it seems like this was the Best pro contest outside of the Arnold's & the Olympia Weekend. I hope that this contest will comeback next year with a much bigger turnout of Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women, that will be Fantastic.:)

[bigbrother]

Actually they did many call outs. The first call outs did not seal the show. THey called Cathy, Lisa and Helen in the first callout, then they called out another group of 5, pulled cathy back in and the mix kept going like that. Gayle Mohr was in like the third group of callouts int he symmetry round so on and so forth. The only people I knew were definately in the top 3 were Liza and Helen...then from there they did a good job I thought of comparing the women to each other and different lookes with different people etc. The judging was definately not rushed and I was impressed with the time they gave the competitors on stage.

Some people may look GREAT when compared to themselves but then when they are put up against the other women they don't look so good anymore. I didn't feel there was a personal agenda against the European women. I felt they made good calls for most of the time. This show the bigger women definately had an advantage. Personally I loved the look of one of the smaller competitors Emery Miller. Colette Nelson looked even better than she was at the Europa...and I would have had her higher. But to be honest this group of women looked pretty good . Helen I had the opportunity to speak to was I think pretty happy with her call outs...she almost seemed shocked...LOL
Cathy was just a sweet woman and I had the chance to talk to her for a while.

I was glad to see so many women on stage....
Thanks for those precisions Eleine. I was at the Europa and that show was a hell of a rush with no comparisons at all.
I also had a look at some pictures in the meantime, and for what 2 dimensional is worth, Lisa Auckland was indeed the leader of the pack.

cheers
Bigbro

[bigbrother]

they did a good job to let the pro shows american championships!
if you dont compare the biggest and most defined woman jana linke-sippl in the muscularity round with the other big girls, how can you tell, they made a good job?
maybe they where afraid that the audience see even better whats going on?
jana was in the lineup next to betty pariso and she was bigger and better ripped. and then she got the very last callout!!
if they have lisa and helen in the first places, who was also very muscular,how can they gave jana last place?????
The judges should have compared Jana to Lisa, Helen and Tazzie.
Then we should all have noticed who was really defined and toned, and who wasn't.
Now we are just comparing pictures.
All the women were great in front of the mirror in the hotel room, once on stage ..... it's another story.

Bigbro aka the best bodybuilder in his own gym (once on stage .... he sometimes suck bad time)

[chris10000]

now there are pics on graphicmuscle

[CalJoe]

they did a good job to let the pro shows american championships!
if you dont compare the biggest and most defined woman jana linke-sippl in the muscularity round with the other big girls, how can you tell, they made a good job?
maybe they where afraid that the audience see even better whats going on?
jana was in the lineup next to betty pariso and she was bigger and better ripped. and then she got the very last callout!!
if they have lisa and helen in the first places, who was also very muscular,how can they gave jana last place?????
Good point.

[chris10000]

last place???
good work!

[mark000]

I saw this list of placings somewhere that looked authoritative:


Atlantic Pro Show - Placings

1. Lisa Aukland
2. Helen Bouchard
3. Tazzie Columb
4. Gayle Moher
5. Betty Pariso
6. Tonie Norman
7. Kim Perez
8. Colette Nelson
9. Cathy LeFrancois
10. Angela Debatin
11. Emery Miller
12. Maria Calo
13. Klaudia Larson
14. Vicki Nixon
15. Carla Salotti
(16 Tonia Villalobos)
17. Natalie, Abellan
18. Irene Anderson
19. Mercedes Bazemore
20. Aurelia Grozajova
21. Merete Hornnes
22. Mary Ellen Jerumbo
23. Marika Johansson
24. Jana Linke-Sipple
25. Debbie Patton
26. Nicole Pfuetzenreuter
27. Elizabeth Mezo Gomez

Notes:
1) the list I saw omitted position 16, and omitted Tonia's name, which I filled in.
2) The the names from 17th place on were not really ranked, they are in alphabetic order by last name, which was also suit number order (except Elizabeth whose suit number got switched with Tonia's.)
3) The first 12 names are either North American or living in the US.
Were there any European judges?

[chris10000]

cost more than 4000 $ standing in the lineup waiting for a callout!!!!!!!

[genex]

Chris is with Jana and was there at the Europa where I first got to meet him so he knows a lot about what's been going on with Jana.

[chris10000]

i didnt read all before.
big brother did allready better explai what i was writing!

In my opinion this would seal the comments about one way judging.

I was shocked to see so few comparisons at US shows.
First call out are top contestants for sure, but in europe they compare them with second and third call outs and make them work for the top spots.
In the US it seems like first call made by the head judge seals it.
The 7 other judges somehow agree and thats it.
Its not even fun to watch when there is no battle.

[Scott]

This must have been quite the show so much for fbb being on its death bed!!! Like i said b4 glad i wasnt a judge! I think it would be more fair if a european judge or 2 was invited to the show. Jana definately got slighted but with 27 of the most awesome physiques on stage somebody is going to end up with a not so deserved placement.

Hey Chris hope you and Jana decide to come back over next year especially if the Jan Tana rumors are true that was one kickin show!

[fbbhubby]

Perhaps Jana could propose an amendment to her athlete's representative (Betty) for the upcoming athletes meeting regarding a specified number of international judges for pro contests. The Olympics don't use judges from only one country.

[Alexander]

Krasatulia!!

[mark000]

Perhaps Jana could propose an amendment to her athlete's representative (Betty) for the upcoming athletes meeting regarding a specified number of international judges for pro contests. The Olympics don't use judges from only one country.

Excellent idea. All the European women (and some of the Americans) should join in such a reasonable request. I will spread the idea this weekend in Vegas.

[Nath.]

Congratulation Helen!!

[pict]

Great to see Cathy back on stage again. And great to see Tonia back as well. I hope to see much more of both these beautiful physiques.
Question: If there are separate weight divisions for the men, what is the justification for not doing the same for the women? That would be one way to reward more of these fantastic athletes.

[pict]

Actually they did many call outs. The first call outs did not seal the show. THey called Cathy, Lisa and Helen in the first callout, then they called out another group of 5, pulled cathy back in and the mix kept going like that. Gayle Mohr was in like the third group of callouts int he symmetry round so on and so forth. The only people I knew were definately in the top 3 were Liza and Helen...then from there they did a good job I thought of comparing the women to each other and different lookes with different people etc. The judging was definately not rushed and I was impressed with the time they gave the competitors on stage.

Some people may look GREAT when compared to themselves but then when they are put up against the other women they don't look so good anymore. I didn't feel there was a personal agenda against the European women. I felt they made good calls for most of the time. This show the bigger women definately had an advantage. Personally I loved the look of one of the smaller competitors Emery Miller. Colette Nelson looked even better than she was at the Europa...and I would have had her higher. But to be honest this group of women looked pretty good . Helen I had the opportunity to speak to was I think pretty happy with her call outs...she almost seemed shocked...LOL
Cathy was just a sweet woman and I had the chance to talk to her for a while.

I was glad to see so many women on stage....

Due respect to Elena, whose opinions and physique I have always respected, and due respect to all the women athletes, it seems clear that placing Jana in 24th position is evidence of either judging bias or seriously flawed judging criteria. And oh by the way, if there are not european judges at US shows, what is the justification for insisting that there be US judges at european shows?

[Maxt]

If you were there you might know as much about that show as she does. She is a judge and many times high placed contender for good reason. She says there is no bias toward USA women by the judges that's all I need to hear because she knows what goes on. I think the judging criteria might have had something to do with it but judging criteria cannot be flawed because you know the rules you play by them. You are going to get rewarded for proportion and symmetry as well as muscularity. Jana's first time in the USA she didn't do so good. I think some more experience and understanding the look the judges want could be more helpful than complaining. Adapt to the criteria and get your physique more streamlined. Whether or not these shows are European shows or USA shows first and foremost they are IFBB shows with an IFBB sanction and they are going to have IFBB judges selected by the IFBB.

[Maxt]

Excellent idea. All the European women (and some of the Americans) should join in such a reasonable request. I will spread the idea this weekend in Vegas.No bad idea that sounds like a quota system to me. Do you want to mandate quota's of nationalities where judges can come from? I can't agree to that.

[Maxt]

Actually they did many call outs. The first call outs did not seal the show. THey called Cathy, Lisa and Helen in the first callout, then they called out another group of 5, pulled cathy back in and the mix kept going like that. Gayle Mohr was in like the third group of callouts int he symmetry round so on and so forth. The only people I knew were definately in the top 3 were Liza and Helen...then from there they did a good job I thought of comparing the women to each other and different lookes with different people etc. The judging was definately not rushed and I was impressed with the time they gave the competitors on stage.

Some people may look GREAT when compared to themselves but then when they are put up against the other women they don't look so good anymore. I didn't feel there was a personal agenda against the European women. I felt they made good calls for most of the time. This show the bigger women definately had an advantage. Personally I loved the look of one of the smaller competitors Emery Miller. Colette Nelson looked even better than she was at the Europa...and I would have had her higher. But to be honest this group of women looked pretty good .

I was glad to see so many women on stage....Thank You for this review. Reads like a great show.

[bigbrother]

If you were there you might know as much about that show as she does. She is a judge and many times high placed contender for good reason. She says there is no bias toward USA women by the judges that's all I need to hear because she knows what goes on. I think the judging criteria might have had something to do with it but judging criteria cannot be flawed because you know the rules you play by them. You are going to get rewarded for proportion and symmetry as well as muscularity. Jana's first time in the USA she didn't do so good. I think some more experience and understanding the look the judges want could be more helpful than complaining. Adapt to the criteria and get your physique more streamlined. Whether or not these shows are European shows or USA shows first and foremost they are IFBB shows with an IFBB sanction and they are going to have IFBB judges selected by the IFBB.
What is your point?
You are talking about IFBB rules, proportion and symmetry, that should be applied to all competitors at all contests, held all over the world.
I agree 100%.

If so it seams all the North American girls are near perfect and all non americans "suck" according to the placings of the last 2 pro shows.

According to the first time appearance and experience remark, those women are 35-40 yo on average and have participated in tons of shows, so that can't be the reason.

The get your physique more streamlined thing is also a vague argument that strangely is applicable to some competitors and not to others.

something is wrong with the application of the rules.

[bigbrother]

No bad idea that sounds like a quota system to me. Do you want to mandate quota's of nationalities where judges can come from? I can't agree to that.
Good or bad idea?
I don't know, but it would perhaps rule out some pre conceived judging.
At the europa, there were some US girls totally ignored as well, while in my opinion they should have been in contention.

By the way Maxt, are so afraid of having an international jury?
I wonder why? ;)

cheers

bigbro

[Maxt]

I remember many International juries at the Olympia's that I have attended but it would be useless to mandate quotas. I will tell you why. The IFBB is not a democratic institution. Did you know that? What would happen if the quota for European judges had not been met? Would somebody be fined, penalized or sanctioned? No get real. Do you understand the governing hierchy of the IFBB as an International Federation? Who pays for the European judges to fly in to the contest venue and judge? The promoter?-no. I am sure that the promoters of womens contests like the Europa have paid enough money in sanction fees. You have to look at the idea from the standpoint of profit-loss on the balance sheet and justify the expense insofar as how it generates profit? You take a look at events like last year's Charlotte Pro Bulk Nutrition Classic that went totally down the tubes and lost close to a half a million dollars. Now added to that you want them flying in European judges. They are not even flying in European competitors. How many European judges are going to be mandated to judge the North Americans? I'll say this to your question Big Brother, of course I think that qualified Europen judges at an event like the Olympia or the Ms. International is a good thing. It happens every year. They are qualified and their appearance is fully funded but not mandated by some quota that is unenforceable. Face it quotas of nationalities of judges at IFBB shows are unenforceable if the IFBB does not support them. I cannot see the IFBB supporting this idea. I think this suggestion is short-sighted. Now how many womens pro shows outside of the USA did you see this year? Not many. Not one. Give me a solution to what I don't see as a problem but one that you might? I'm listening to any workable situations but quotas won't work. They don't work. Mark 000's suggestions are going to fall on deaf ears in terms of people who could really do something about them. They'll never work-especially when there is no authority to enforce them.

[chris10000]

I think some more experience and understanding the look the judges want could be more helpful than complaining.
boy you make me laugh a lot!
understand what they want?
marika asked them at the europa?
they told her to come softer. the result? out of top 15!

experience?? jana is having more than 50 trophies home.

and she is not complaining about the place. she is getting tons of e-mail from people who was there and who who was seeing what really happened! this is more important for her than a place!
she only want to fight on stage. she want to be compared. she loves this sport. believe me , this judges will not make her stop!!
we will be at the next competition , be sure of this!!
i want to thank everybody in my and janas name for all the nice mails!!!

[CalJoe]

boy you make me laugh a lot!
understand what they want?
marika asked them at the europa?
they told her to come softer. the result? out of top 15!

experience?? jana is having more than 50 trophies home.

and she is not complaining about the place. she is getting tons of e-mail from people who was there and who who was seeing what really happened! this is more important for her than a place!
she only want to fight on stage. she want to be compared. she loves this sport. believe me , this judges will not make her stop!!
we will be at the next competition , be sure of this!!
i want to thank everybody in my and janas name for all the nice mails!!!
Chris10000, you have my sympathy in trying to deal with Maxt. The way I see it Jana's lines may have not been as streamlined, but she had size and plenty of conditioning, which I believe are 2 of the components of judging. Just on muscle and conditioning Jana should have placed in the top 15 at the Atlantic City show, ahead of some competitors who shall remain unnamed (who were small AND soft). I don't think there should be a quota of international judges, but there should be a higher representation of European judges at these shows. After all, it's the IFBB, not the AFBB (American Federation of Bodybuilders).

Chris10000, you can respond to my post. Maxt, if you respond I will ignore you....period.

[bigbrother]

The IFBB is not a democratic institution. Did you know that?
you answered all questions with this statement.

[bigbrother]

Chris10000, you have my sympathy in trying to deal with Maxt. The way I see it Jana's lines may have not been as streamlined, but she had size and plenty of conditioning, which I believe are 2 of the components of judging. Just on muscle and conditioning Jana should have placed in the top 15 at the Atlantic City show, ahead of some competitors who shall remain unnamed (who were small AND soft). I don't think there should be a quota of international judges, but there should be a higher representation of European judges at these shows. After all, it's the IFBB, not the AFBB (American Federation of Bodybuilders).

Chris10000, you can respond to my post. Maxt, if you respond I will ignore you....period.
Good analysis CalJoe.
Not all competitors are gifted with perfect genetics and lines, but size and conditioning are also involved in judging.
Frankly, some competitors who placed in the top 15 ( esp at the europa) didn't have much genetics, didn't have much size and were soft as a butterball.
Having big implants and presenting a las vegas routine in free posing might be enough in Texas, but it doesn't represent true bodybuilding in my eyes.

[Echo]

.....The IFBB is not a democratic institution. Did you know that? ...... They'll never work [the proposal for a certain number of European judges if the contest has European athletes competing] especially when there is no authority to enforce them.

To Mark, Chris, BigBrother, CalJoe, and all other Forum members:

The person whose quote is captioned above exists on this forum to do two things: 1) Worship female bodybuilders, and 2) Provoke arguments. One has only to review the archive of posts to see that approximately 3 out of every 5 of his posts are intended to incite or inflame an argument. This is what this person likes to do. Unfortunately, because of his well known reputation on this board for doing #1 he will probably continue to get a free pass for the "negativity" he gleefully cultivates.

Please note, among other things, how this person undermines his own argument. First he "instructs" us that the IFBB is not a democratic organization. He then engages in a long, rambling discussion and then ends his post by telling us that the IFBB has no authority to enforce it's own rules.

This only causes an astute person to ask: "Have you ever heard of a dictatorship that does not have the authority to enforce it's own rules?" Of course, this post comes from a person who is asking the moderator to ban all forum members who respond in the way he desires to his provocative posts. So, if any of you folks want to respond to this character I would respectfully suggest that you take a moment to consider if it is really worth it.

[bigbrother]

To Mark, Chris, BigBrother, CalJoe, and all other Forum members:

The person whose quote is captioned above exists on this forum to do two things: 1) Worship female bodybuilders, and 2) Provoke arguments. One has only to review the archive of posts to see that approximately 3 out of every 5 of his posts are intended to incite or inflame an argument. This is what this person likes to do. Unfortunately, because of his well known reputation on this board for doing #1 he will probably continue to get a free pass for the "negativity" he gleefully cultivates.

Please note, among other things, how this person undermines his own argument. First he "instructs" us that the IFBB is not a democratic organization. He then engages in a long, rambling discussion and then ends his post by telling us that the IFBB has no authority to enforce it's own rules.

This only causes an astute person to ask: "Have you ever heard of a dictatorship that does not have the authority to enforce it's own rules?" Of course, this post comes from a person who is asking the moderator to ban all forum members who respond in the way he desires to his provocative posts. So, if any of you folks want to respond to this character I would respectfully suggest that you take a moment to consider if it is really worth it.
IT S NOT.
CHEERS
BIGBRO

[Brandi Burns]

Is every show thread going to turn into this?

[Maxt]

The person whose quote is captioned above exists on this forum to do two things: 1) Worship female bodybuilders, and 2) Provoke arguments. One has only to review the archive of posts to see that approximately 3 out of every 5 of his posts are intended to incite or inflame an argument. This is what this person likes to do. Unfortunately, because of his well known reputation on this board for doing #1 he will probably continue to get a free pass for the "negativity" he gleefully cultivates.
Oh, you are going to give me a pass? Well thank you. Please remember that it is 'positivity' that Maxt Cultivates. I try and be like my main man Chris Brown from Detroit the most positive contributor to this website who your constantly attacking as well as a few members of female bodybuilding's sisterhood of iron that come from Florida where I live. I don't attack female bodybuilders. However I'll defend a woman's right to be a bodybuilder and speak her mind. Negativity is Echo's job. I noticed that on another board pretty recently.

[Maxt]

Maxt. The way I see it Jana's lines may have not been as streamlined, but she had size and plenty of conditioning, which I believe are 2 of the components of judging. Just on muscle and conditioning Jana should have placed in the top 15 at the Atlantic City show, ahead of some competitors who shall remain unnamed (who were small AND soft). I don't think there should be a quota of international judges, but there should be a higher representation of European judges at these shows. After all, it's the IFBB, not the AFBB (American Federation of Bodybuilders).
That is pretty much what I have said insofar as international judges and IFBB competitors like Jana Linke-Sippl.. Thanks to Superbodypart.net I took a good look at Jana Linke-Sippl just as I did after the Europa on Femuslce.org. If I feel there was a competitor at the Atlantic City Pro who beat Jana Linke-Sippl that was too small and too soft, I've got enough backbone to say so! I think Gym Diva said we could do that? I also have enough backbone to say Jana Link-Sippl didn't really deserve the top five based on what judges are looking for. That is important. You have to understand the judging criteria and adapt to what the judges are going to reward with a win or a higher place. They are definitely looking for a more streamlined physique with a look that is a total package of femininity and that is not just being bigger or biggest with size and muscularity. They want a woman with muscles not just muscles that happens to be a woman. She needs to adapt to this style of womens bodybuilding if she wants to place higher in IFBB women's pro shows. To have gotten to the pro's is a good accomplishment of course but now it is a different ballgame and it seems to me the judging criteria demands the "Total Package." The market forces that really run womens bodybuilding to look for profit vs. loss demand this standard so that it will be more acceptable to a mainstream audience.

[DAvid]

General - I really enjoyed the show and thought it was great to see so many women on stage and more than a few in the audience. A couple of friends and I played lobby lizards hanging out outside while the show was on. It was nice to see everyone at least got a minute onstage instead of a quick pose and off. I did not buy a finals ticket because I blew $45 on ticket for the NPC show. You'd think with New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Delaware and Pennsylvannia to draw from he'd get more than 3 fbb's. That really upset me. The promoter also refused to pay a VISA fee so you had to pay cash for your tickets so you couldn't charge them. :banghead:
On Sunday someone came up to a guy sitting across from me asking what was going on. When told there was a bodybuilding contest the day before he was sorry he didn't know about it as he would have gone. In fact no one in Atlantic City knew about it. A friend who works in one of the other casinos didn't know and he usually tells me about things months in advance. There were only 3 vender tables and I heard from a 'would be' vender that the table costs were outrageous.
Judging - I had few quibbles with the top five but those below were sort o just thrown together. I was surprised at Colette's placing based on her previous placing. I can remember when the judges used to do call outs handing the head judge slips for comparisons they wanted to see. While this took more time it made for more chances to see the women against other women not just the women the head judge deems are the top five. Several women were definitely overlooked to put it kindly. Tonia Villalobos and Emery Miller are just two of many. :angryfire
The call for more judges in Austria could be a reaction to what happened in Canada where they only had 5 instead of the required 7. BUT I do agree there should be more diversity on the panels. It should be up to the IFBB NOT the promoter to bring the judges to the show.
Venue - The convention center was nice if a bit cold temperature wise. It was all floor seating so the view wasn't the greatest but at least the platform was elevated. The first row was a bit too far from the stage. With a 200mm lense I was doing group shots only. The host hotel was nice if a bit pricey if you didn't get into the block of reserved rooms. Real convienant across the street from the venue and not too far from the boardwalk and other places to eat.

[Echo]

. It should be up to the IFBB NOT the promoter to bring the judges to the show.


Thank you, DAvid, for your excellent post and your first-hand descriptions of the event. I have captoned one of your comments above in order to emphasize an important point: It is the IFBB and not the promoter that handles the "mechanics" of the contest. The IFBB handles everything from the contracting of the athletes to the selection of the judges.

[cbdetroit]

All-N-All, I'm Glad that Lisa have won based on her Blend of Muscle Density & Separation, Beauty, Conditioning, Femininty, Symmetrical Proportion, Grace & Style which in my opinion would be a "Total Package" package period.

A Big congrats for winning the Atlantic City Pro as well as Good luck to Lisa Aukland at the Olympia Weekend because She's what's real Hardcore Women's Bodybuilding's all about and "The Shape of Things To Come".:)

[bigbrother]

That is pretty much what I have said insofar as international judges and IFBB competitors like Jana Linke-Sippl.. Thanks to Superbodypart.net I took a good look at Jana Linke-Sippl just as I did after the Europa on Femuslce.org. If I feel there was a competitor at the Atlantic City Pro who beat Jana Linke-Sippl that was too small and too soft, I've got enough backbone to say so! I think Gym Diva said we could do that? I also have enough backbone to say Jana Link-Sippl didn't really deserve the top five based on what judges are looking for. That is important. You have to understand the judging criteria and adapt to what the judges are going to reward with a win or a higher place. They are definitely looking for a more streamlined physique with a look that is a total package of femininity and that is not just being bigger or biggest with size and muscularity. They want a woman with muscles not just muscles that happens to be a woman. She needs to adapt to this style of womens bodybuilding if she wants to place higher in IFBB women's pro shows. To have gotten to the pro's is a good accomplishment of course but now it is a different ballgame and it seems to me the judging criteria demands the "Total Package." The market forces that really run womens bodybuilding to look for profit vs. loss demand this standard so that it will be more acceptable to a mainstream audience.
if being "mainstream" means, kissing judges asses and pleasing *******s like yourself, i hope Jana and others don't subscribe to it.
We all know the "business" is already ruling and directing the sport towards a certain result that is most of the time decided prior to the contest, so don't give us that crap.
Even if Jana adapts to the so said criteria, she will be ignored, so she has to continu in her way. See you and Chris next year Jana.

[Maxt]

Are you sure of this? I think the judging has been fair and when I disagree with it I don't go and act like a sore loser I say that to understand bodybuilding competition for professionals you have to understand that it is totally dependent on a bottom line of profit vs. loss on a lot of levels. When you start seeing a female bodybuilder getting sponsorships the public will have to accept her and feel that she has great character and attained her condition without sacrificing her femininity and suffering overmasculinization. She'll have to be able to help her sponsor sell their products. I'm a former resident of Maryland, I've seen Lisa Aukland at the shows and around either guest posing or competing. I think she is a great competitor who has done everything right for a long time. She represents the sport with class and dignity and did so once again in Atlantic City. I like how that show went. I think if anybody wants to come back next year and win they will have to be a lot more like Lisa Aukland. She was the best in the show and she is a true champion in all ways.

[JoePa]

I don't think Jana was top 5, but I think she could have been top 10, and most definitely in the top 15.

[Maxt]

Could have been top 15. Could make some improvements too.

[JoePa]

What improvements do you think she needs to make?

[Maxt]

Streamline the physique, work on proportion and symmetry. Work on the waistline and firm up the glutes. Keep her strengths work on the flaws. She's good though. This is the top level. At this level flaws in the physique show more. She is definitely not ready for the Olympia stage in terms of what she needs to look like for instance a Lisa Aukland or even a Tazzie Colomb or Helen Bouchard who I'd like to see her compared with. That could happen next year. I'll say this to say that she should have made top 15 you have to throw somebody that did make the top 15 out of there. Who do you place Jana ahead of that made the top 15: Carla Salotti? Maria Calo? It is easier to say what place she should have come in when you don't have to name the names of competitors you'd have liked her to have beaten. Emery Miller came in 11th. Jana is definitely not ready to beat Emery Miller. Jana tied for 18th with 9 other women. She's possibly better than all nine of those women with the possible exception of Debbie Patton whose look I prefer...

[Scott]

Jana is definitely not ready to beat Emery Miller


no offense to Emery she is awesome but i disgaree with that statement!

[JoePa]

I think Jana clearly looked better than Carla. I'm not saying Jana is ready for the O. If I did I would have suggested that Jana be in the top 5 of the Atlantic City. That being said, Jana is no closer to being Olympia caliber than Dena Westerfield and Colette Nelson were this weekend. What improvements can be made in the case of Colette?

[JoePa]

Jana is definitely not ready to beat Emery Miller


no offense to Emery she is awesome but i disgaree with that statement!
I agree with you Scott. Jana is big, thick, and very detailed. Her waist is a little wide, but she brings a lot of quality, mature muscle to the stage, and it was sadly ignored.

[Maxt]

Joe Pa: good suggestion as far as names, but I say a definitive no however. Dena Westerfield and Colette Nelson are to me a lot closer to what female bodybuilding should be all about than what Jana Linke-Sippl looked like at her two shows because they are great competitors whose stage presence and total package exudes femininity to a greater degree than what Jana had going for her for whatever reason be that genetic, experience, expectations toward judging criteria or what. It is a subjective sport no doubt, but what I see with Colette Nelson and Dena Westerfield are women who remind me more of what the female bodybuilder looked like in the 1980's when you had great competitors like Jackie Paisley, Cory Everson and Tonya Knight, Anja Langer or Anja Schreiner-Shelley Beattie the legendary greats of the sport during its golden or platinum age.. I want to say that I went to all of those Ms. Olympia shows they used to have up in New York as well as the first Jan Tana pro show when Sue Gafner beat Paula Bircumshaw and then in the following years I saw Nikki Fuller, Denise Rutkowski and Melissa Coates. Now if you ever saw Paula Bircumshaw at her best and you were to judge the show on muscularity and size-pure muscle mass you would say how the hell is Sue Gafner going to beat Paula Bircumshaw and the answer is the total package which is also based on balance, proportion, stage presence and femininity. As you may have seen in womens bodybbuilding into the Nineties, they really started to go just too far with the drugs, the depletion, the androgenizing secondary side effects and the over masculinization until the sport was just about dead in 1999 when the federation said to the judges you have to have guidelines for femininity. If womens bodybuilding is to be gender-specific you have to have that and that is why Dena Westerfield or Colette Nelson beat Jana Linke-Sippl at this juncture in the race to qualify for the 2006 Ms. Olympia. Better luck to her in 2007.

[Scott]

I agree with you Scott. Jana is big, thick, and very detailed. Her waist is a little wide, but she brings a lot of quality, mature muscle to the stage, and it was sadly ignored.

I likin Jana to Annie R, needs to bring down the waist a little like u said to kick the V in. :)

[Maxt]

Yes, she could make major improvements in her future and that is up to her. This is not the time to pack it in but at the same time think about what put her down there at the bottom level, evaluate the judging standards and to succeed-adapt!

[JoePa]

Joe Pa: good suggestion as far as names, but I say a definitive no however. Dena Westerfield and Colette Nelson are to me a lot closer to what female bodybuilding should be all about than what Jana Linke-Sippl looked like at her two shows because they are great competitors whose stage presence and total package exudes femininity to a greater degree than what Jana had going for her for whatever reason be that genetic, experience, expectations toward judging criteria or what. It is a subjective sport no doubt, but what I see with Colette Nelson and Dena Westerfield are women who remind me more of what the female bodybuilder looked like in the 1980's when you had great competitors like Jackie Paisley, Cory Everson and Tonya Knight, Anja Langer or Anja Schreiner. I want to say that I went to all of those Ms. Olympia shows as well as the first Jan Tana pro show when Sue Gafner beat Paula Bircumshawand then in the following years I saw Nikki Fuller, Denise Rutkowski and Melissa Coates. Now if you ever saw Paula Bircumshaw at her best and you were to judge the show on muscularity and size-pure muscle mass you would say how the hell is Sue Gafner going to beat Paula Bircumshaw and the answer is the total package which is also based on balance, proportion, stage presence and femininity. As you may have seen in womens bodybbuilding into the Nineties, they really started to go just too far with the drugs, the depletion, the androgenizing secondary side effects and the over masculinization until the sport was just about dead in 1999 when the federation said to the judges you have to have guidelines for femininity. If womens bodybuilding is to be gender-specific you have to have that and that is why Dena Westerfield or Colette Nelson beat Jana Linke-Sippl at this juncture in the race to qualify for the 2006 Ms. Olympia. Better luck to her in 2007.
My analysis was not based on what you think the ideal is, or which physique bears a greater resemblance to Jackie Paisley or Cory Everson. Paula Bircumshaw was a victim of the same kind of criteria overhaul we saw in 2000 when Jennifer McVicar was "miraculously" able to beat Lora Ottenad for the USA overall. There are reasons Dena and Colette qualified for the O. at the Europa show. Having Olympia level physiques was not one of them, and apparently being the best in the show wasn't either. Implying the gender specific angle is an insult to Jana. As far as the rest of your argument, it holds very little water considering the outcome of the Olympia that just concluded.

Besides, after carefully examining Jana's pics I've concluded that she has no more or less muscle than some of the women that just did very well at the Olympia. Obviously she doesn't have their symmetrical lines, but she has simular amounts of muscle in relation to the more promininent Olympia competitors. Therefore, I can only conclude that you don't like Jana's "look", which is ok (it's a free country,,,well almost). But to go the next step and insinuate that Jana blurs the gender line is quite rude in my book, and I'm not sure you would tell Jana the same thing to her face....would you?

[Maxt]

Welcome back Cal Joe, don't worry about the ban you can just change your name. Yes Jennifer McVicar, Cory Everson, Jackie Paisely and now Colette Nelson and Dena Westerfield (smokin' hot!) have the "total package" for womens bodybuilding that includes aesthetic principles that retain femininity and are more aquiescient to market forces of bodybuilding who might like to present competitors and even champions to the public for marketing and possibly even sponsorships as well as the very credibility of the sport that its existence is dependent upon. You can call this wrong criteria and another organization can try and forge a different direction. I think the IFBB wants to be all things to all people and another strategy is to dilute the impact female bodybuilders might have on the public by equally showcasing figure and fitness champions for their sponsorships, advertising and magazine exposure but I'd like to see the loveliest ladies of female bodybuilding get their share and to get that way you'll have to have more mainstream acceptability. I do indeed though show mad props and respect to all of the lovely ladies of female bodybuilding who I respect as athletes and women without a doubt.

[Maxt]

There are reasons Dena and Colette qualified for the O. at the Europa show. Having Olympia level physiques was not one of themReally what are those reasons?

[JoePa]

I think it was politics as usual; a regional bias,,,who knows.

[JoePa]

Welcome back Cal Joe, don't worry about the ban you can just change your name. Yes Jennifer McVicar, Cory Everson, Jackie Paisely and now Colette Nelson and Dena Westerfield (smokin' hot!) have the "total package" for womens bodybuilding that includes aesthetic principles that retain femininity and are more aquiescient to market forces of bodybuilding who might like to present competitors and even champions to the public for marketing and possibly even sponsorships as well as the very credibility of the sport that its existence is dependent upon. You can call this wrong criteria and another organization can try and forge a different direction. I think the IFBB wants to be all things to all people and another strategy is to dilute the impact female bodybuilders might have on the public by equally showcasing figure and fitness champions for their sponsorships, advertising and magazine exposure but I'd like to see the loveliest ladies of female bodybuilding get their share and to get that way you'll have to have more mainstream acceptability. I do indeed though show mad props and respect to all of the lovely ladies of female bodybuilding who I respect as athletes and women without a doubt.
Hey buddy, the name is JoePa ;) . Thanks for your rambling post, which had absolutely nothing to do with the point I made, particularly the second paragraph concerning Jana. Secondly, you're showing bias when you refer to Colette and Dena as "smoking hot". When I analyze a physique in a lineup I am not concerned with whether I think she is "hot".

[Scott]

the only thing Colette has going for her is watermelons...

[JoePa]

the only thing Colette has going for her is watermelons...
D'oh!!! :1eek: ,,,,holy cow!!!

[Scott]

JoePa, for some reason i keep thinking Joe Paterno......who knows maybe he has finally gotten bored talkin about the controversial BCS so he needs something else to debate about :lurker:

[Maxt]

Hey buddy, the name is JoePa ;) . Thanks for your rambling post, which had absolutely nothing to do with the point I made, particularly the second paragraph concerning Jana. Secondly, you're showing bias when you refer to Colette and Dena as "smoking hot". When I analyze a physique in a lineup I am not concerned with whether I think she is "hot".It was at the Bodyrock two years ago I asked another audience member sitting next to me how you analyzed a Figure competiton and he said hot, hotter and smokin' hot. It was at the Nationals back 2001 in Atlanta that I asked an audience member how she judged a bodybuilding show? Her name was Dena Westerfield and she was smokin' hot! :420 man:

[JoePa]

JoePa, for some reason i keep thinking Joe Paterno......who knows maybe he has finally gotten bored talkin about the controversial BCS so he needs something else to debate about :lurker:
The beating I took at the hands of Notre Dame and Ohio State have relegated me to talking about something other than football.

[JoePa]

It was at the Bodyrock two years ago I asked another audience member sitting next to me how you analyzed a Figure competiton and he said hot, hotter and smokin' hot. It was at the Nationals back 2001 in Atlanta that I asked an audience member how she judged a bodybuilding show? Her name was Dena Westerfield and she was smokin' hot! :420 man:
I'm happy for your experiences. Thanks for clarifying yourself.

[mark000]

To Mark, Chris, BigBrother, CalJoe, and all other Forum members:

The person whose quote is captioned above exists on this forum to do two things: 1) Worship female bodybuilders, and 2) Provoke arguments.....

If this were the DTV boards I would have Maxt on ignore.
If I have responded here, i apologize for troll-feeding.

[Maxt]

If this were the DTV Boards you'd see more vile hate, ridicule and disgust toward female bodybuilders, figure and fitness ladies today than just about anywhere on the world wide web. No thank you I am done there, I'll stay here if I can and I'll stick to watching bodybuilding shows in person. Thanks.

[Maxt]

I'm happy for your experiences. Thanks for clarifying yourself.If you ever get the chance to see the lovely Dena Westerfield in person do so, she'll blow your mind, she's just one of those blessed people who works very hard at itanything athletic. She is very passionate about the sport of bodybuilding with a loyalty to certain aesthetic principles-which come to her more easily than most because of the very favorable genetics that she has been born with http://www.denawesterfield.com .

[JoePa]

If you ever get the chance to see the lovely Dena Westerfield in person do so, she'll blow your mind, she's just one of those blessed people who works very hard at itanything athletic. She is very passionate about the sport of bodybuilding with a loyalty to certain aesthetic principles-which come to her more easily than most because of the very favorable genetics that she has been born with http://www.denawesterfield.com .
She could be Mother Teresa, and it's not going to affect how I compare physiques onstage.

[Maxt]

She has a great physique you might have seen her take second at the Europa. Whoever had anger for the Europa judging had some respects right because however before I may have thought Dena Westerfield should have finished second to Tazzie Colomb instead of Heather Foster-looking at the pictures up at her free gallery: I have not seen that great a total package in a long time maybe since the days of Melissa Coates or Denise Rutkowski in their prime. As for the Olympia she was off. It is hard in your first year as a pro to replicate your best effort in August once again in October. An advantage went first to ladies that could point for just the Olympia with the exception of Jitka Harazimova, Brenda Raganot and Yaxeni Oriquen who were in varying degrees off. Helen Bouchard and Atlantic City Pro Winner Lisa Aukland were smart to come in to the Olympia at their peaks mostly although may have been best at the Atlantic City. Iris Kyle hit her mark her best ever with Dayana Cadeau, a phenomenal Annie Rivieccio but give Tazzie Colomb some real credit for looking great at all three womens pro shows. She is a real tough veteran female bodybuilder who's been doing it the right way for a while. Dena Westerfield is the look of the future for female bodybuilding though.

[cbdetroit]

Well let me put the thead back into a positive mood without the online mud-slinging/confrontation and say that with the success of the IFBB Atlantic City Pro, I hope that this contest will be around for a long time.

As a matter of fact, if the promoters play their cards right, this contest could evolve into somekind of "Northern Jan Tana or GNC Show of Strength" with Multiple weight classes (Lightweights, Middleweights & Heavyweights) including the Overall Champion as well as Olympia Weekend qualification for top 3 finalists in each weight class in Women's Bodybuilding, the top 6 in Women's Fitness as well as the Overall Champions in both Women's Bodybuilding & Women's Fitness.

Because obviously most folks at this Fourm seem to favor this show more than the Europa and are satified with the top 10 finalists who came into the contest in Fantastic condition. The Symmetry on these Ladies were unbelievably Great. Wouldn't anyone agree?

It's like I've mentioned before that if this contest was successful then hopefully it will open the door for somemore Olympia Qualifiers for both Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women since there's way more than enough Pro Shows/Olympia Qualifiers for the figure gals.

And I'm sure that most folk would agree that Both Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women deserve some Sweet Justice within the next couple of years.:)

[JoePa]

She has a great physique you might have seen her take second at the Europa. Whoever had anger for the Europa judging had some respects right because however before I may have thought Dena Westerfield should have finished second to Tazzie Colomb instead of Heather Foster-looking at the pictures up at her free gallery: I have not seen that great a total package in a long time maybe since the days of Melissa Coates or Denise Rutkowski in their prime. As for the Olympia she was off. It is hard in your first year as a pro to replicate your best effort in August once again in October. An advantage went first to ladies that could point for just the Olympia with the exception of Jitka Harazimova, Brenda Raganot and Yaxeni Oriquen who were in varying degrees off. Helen Bouchard and Atlantic City Pro Winner Lisa Aukland were smart to come in to the Olympia at their peaks mostly although may have been best at the Atlantic City. Iris Kyle hit her mark her best ever with Dayana Cadeau, a phenomenal Annie Rivieccio but give Tazzie Colomb some real credit for looking great at all three womens pro shows. She is a real tough veteran female bodybuilder who's been doing it the right way for a while. Dena Westerfield is the look of the future for female bodybuilding though.
With regard to the last sentence of your post; you need to take that up with the individuals that judged the Olympia.

[Maxt]

Future Olympias? I think she'll make it.

[Scott]

Hey awhile back i thought i heard that Nikki Fuller was plannin a big comeback anyone got any scoops on that?

[JoePa]

Hey awhile back i thought i heard that Nikki Fuller was plannin a big comeback anyone got any scoops on that?
I would not be surprised to see her return to the stage.