Why most people are "Turned off" by FBB's

[numenlad]

(This is reposted

[rhysg]

Numenlad,

Thanks for sharing an interesting point with us. Whilst i am quite happy to listen to other peoples points of view regarding this subject I can only talk and share my personal experinces here. When i was about sixteen, I went to visit my folks in Santa Monica, California i remember when flickin over the numerous channels that my attention was hooked on watching a bodybuilding show on ESPN. My mom saw that i was quite interested in watching the female bodybuilders go through their compulsorys and she made a comment ' hey if you want to go out with those type of girls, they will eat you alive', you won't have a leg to stand on boy. But i just shrugged of the remark as a matter of her own personal opinion and respected it. When female bodybuilders are seen in the public spotlight, i have occasionally heard voices say things such as 'is that a man or a woman?' directly in front of their kids sometimes and i am sure many of you here on this forum can testify to that. This kind of attitude doesn't real acknowledge womens bodybuilding in a favourable way and as a result usually in embedded deep inside the subconcious of the child which goes along with what physchologists refer to as 'parental programming'. As a consequence, the child will take this though to adulthood, not all of them mind you, as i am only generalising here, and when they see someone who does not fit into the social protocol of society like female bodybuilders without hesitation and of any thought they turned there backs on start to whisper to there friends in so doing the negative vibes which are echoed amongst there friends and peers. It's a sad state of affairs, but as humans we usually judge people on their appearances and then form are expectations based on visual aestetics as a result we produce a category for them to be slotted into, often based on rediculous stereptypes which we came accross as children. I am sure that there are many sweet bodybuilders and there are some who are self absorbed in thir own world, almost to the point where there egos have taken over, but everyones personality is different right?

The media at large also does not lend any favours here as they kind of dictate the fashions in clothes, makeup and hairstyles and tells us what's hot and what's not and generally people who are not strong minded are slaves to this, sadly to say. I guess it all depends on the individuals tastes and as people we all have our own idea of what beauty is which tends to differ from each other as in tastes. Everyone is entitled to his/her opinions. The old saying of 'Beauty is in the eye of the beholder', holds much respect for and is a well worthy saying. However, with good media outlets and advertising in promoting womens bodybuilding like FTV, i am sure this will encourage a more healthier and active lifestyle choice for it's readers and hence it has already been proved that the sport has increased in popularity. With guys like you here i am sure that we will see it to thrive to great heights.

So keep supporting these beautiful gals as they need all the love and respect that they deserve.

Rhys

[genex]

James and I have talked about this over the years, and it's funny you posted the She-Hulk as comics was one of the first places I found strong women and liked that aesthetic. it wasn't until I saw some in real life that I even knew they existed outside the comics.

I just saw the R.Crumb documentary "Crumb" which is pretty interesting too since he also likes strong...

[Zennie]

James and I have talked about this over the years, and it's funny you posted the She-Hulk as comics was one of the first places I found strong women and liked that aesthetic. it wasn't until I saw some in real life that I even knew they existed outside the comics.

I just saw the R.Crumb documentary "Crumb" which is pretty interesting too since he also likes strong...

The Crumb movie is one of my most favorite videos in my collection. For me, the whole deal started with Wonder Woman when I was six years old. Later, I actually believed Linda Carter should be shown as a stronger Wonder Woman!

[Maxt]

Numenlad why do you say most people are turned off by FBB's? How did you arrive at that thought?

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Numenlad why do you say most people are turned off by FBB's? How did you arrive at that thought?


Go on to any bodybuilding forum. It's common knowledge.

Numenlad.....great post. At one time I was totally disgusted by the Mr Olympia contestants, and now I find the big muscles incredibly sexy. I definately had to get used to it for sure.

Way back a long time ago chunky/fat woman were considered sexy because they could afford to eat. Nowadays Paris Hilton types are. I think society accepts sexiness as what is considered "sexy" at the moment. It's fads and styles that change.

I wish Bodybuilding was more mainstream.....then it would be more acceptable.

[MsGuns]

Since muscles are considered a "male" feature...muscles on a female is not popular w/ society...

But I personally think muscles on females can be very sexy if it is done right...

Go on to any bodybuilding forum. It's common knowledge.

Numenlad.....great post. At one time I was totally disgusted by the Mr Olympia contestants, and now I find the big muscles incredibly sexy. I definately had to get used to it for sure.

Way back a long time ago chunky/fat woman were considered sexy because they could afford to eat. Nowadays Paris Hilton types are. I think society accepts sexiness as what is considered "sexy" at the moment. It's fads and styles that change.

I wish Bodybuilding was more mainstream.....then it would be more acceptable.

[Grant]

I don't think this is very much off the point, but when pop culture (like movies and TV) does use FBBs, they usually seem to be pictured as over-the-top "tough girls," (even though it's often pretty clear that it's not meant to be taken seriously). There's really nothing wrong with that, except maybe the repetition. Whereas with big, tough-looking MEN ( like wrestlers or truck drivers or motorcyclists), in comedies at least, there's often the joke where they turn out to be "gentle giants." I can think of at least one comedy that did this with an FBB, and that's those "3rd Rock" episodes with Chyna, where they made her a tough-looking woman who was almost OVER-sensitive. When FBBs ARE shown in movies and TV (and they seem to be making a bit of a comeback), maybe that kind of variety would be helpful.

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Since muscles are considered a "male" feature...muscles on a female is not popular w/ society...

But I personally think muscles on females can be very sexy if it is done right...

What do you mean when you say you think muscles on females can be sexy if done right? What would be an example of not done right......(this is probably the perfect website to show an example of not done right).

There are a couple pics on here that I find horrid (not done right). Could be the muscle, could be the steroid abuse, could be the lighting , I'm not sure. But I'm curious what you think.

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Whats shocking to me that you all who have posted in this thread are just realizing that everyone is not in love with FBB.
Its been an age old debate since the beginning of time.

Ladies being physically strong and can display noticable muscle have never been nor will ever be accepted by everybody.

Just gotta live with that fact.

Just like everyone will never accept gayness as a popular way to be...no matter how much those kind of people
try to convince level-headed people that's it ok.

So this kind of discussion is way past the point of being played out....:fitz:

And I won't even get into the long-winded and ridiculous "Murder For Hire" thread Zennie has posted.

Bottom Line is - Anyone who employs a hitperson is totally insane.

I agree with this post. I just read the "Murder For Hire" thread. Would have been a great and intersting thread if not for the comparison to female bodybulding. That was just plain dumb.

[Echo]

What do you mean, Ms. Guns, when you say you think muscles on females can be sexy if done right? What would be an example of not done right......(this is probably the perfect website to show an example of not done right).


I'm not sure, but I would suspect that Ms. Guns might use the following model as a perfect example of a female with muscles "done right."

http://www.musclewomen.org/Drexel/Pics/Drexel0003.jpg

[Zennie]

I agree with this post. I just read the "Murder For Hire" thread. Would have been a great and intersting thread if not for the comparison to female bodybulding. That was just plain dumb.

Again, I think both of you are too busy being nasty to really activate your brains and think "outside of the box." Of course, I am barking up the wrong tree to expect intelligent discourse from one such as yourself who only seeks to be mean.

[CalJoe]

Numenlad why do you say most people are turned off by FBB's? How did you arrive at that thought?
Those of us in this forum are not turned off by bb'ers, and as a matter of fact we appreciate and very much like what they represent in the world of bodybuilding, but it's very obvious that most people are turned off by FBB'ers. It is something too foreign and outside the norm for them to understand/appreciate it. Besides not appreciating or liking it many are even openly repulsed by FBB'ers, and they're rude enough to make their feelings known.

I love FBB'ers, but it's incredibly naive to not realize that most people are turned off by the whole concept of FBB'ing. Most are turned off by hardcore competetive male bodybuilding, so how could they not be turned off by Women's bb. Bodybuilding is something I love very much, and I don't like to come to the conclusion I've drawn, but I just look at it as, "hey, they just don't understand.".

[Duckbump]

Again, I think both of you are too busy being nasty to really activate your brains and think "outside of the box." Of course, I am barking up the wrong tree to expect intelligent discourse from one such as yourself who only seeks to be mean.

"intelligent discourse from one such as yourself who only seeks to be mean"

Those are some mighty big words for you.

You think "both" of us are nasty but then you refer to only one of us who seeks to be mean.

You think you may sound remotely intelligent, but you don't. I've only read a whopping 2 posts of yours, but your stupidity speaks for itself.

[MsGuns]

What I mean by "done right" is....NOT too bulky or manly looking...everything is even...her body is proportionate...the total package...perfection

I mean I dont think men like women looking like men....there are some out there...that is a major turn off...I think they are seen more then the "just right gurls"

and YES James, Hans and GeneX have posted some "DONE RIGHT" pics...

Does it make since now Duckbump???

What do you mean when you say you think muscles on females can be sexy if done right? What would be an example of not done right......(this is probably the perfect website to show an example of not done right).

There are a couple pics on here that I find horrid (not done right). Could be the muscle, could be the steroid abuse, could be the lighting , I'm not sure. But I'm curious what you think.

[James]

Sometimes people I know will see photos of Figure girls with what I consider a 'Mild amount of muscle'. Not a bodybuilder, but maybe rounded delts and a noticable vein running down their arm and they are like: "OMG, look at those muscles!"

But if anyone watches the TV show, 'The Biggest Loser', then you might recognize Jillian Michaels. (the ads are all over yahoo) I was looking at her website and the photos she has on her site. She is definatly showing off the muscularity:

http://www.jillianmichaels.com/publicsite/funnel/index.aspx?promo=4E697054-2480-458B-A19A-63257FD1001A

I'm just wondering if it's a trend for women who are obese to say, "I'd rather have some muscle like Jillian Michaels than to be 150 lbs overweight"

[MsGuns]

I luv her arms...damn

Sometimes people I know will see photos of Figure girls with what I consider a 'Mild amount of muscle'. Not a bodybuilder, but maybe rounded delts and a noticable vein running down their arm and they are like: "OMG, look at those muscles!"

But if anyone watches the TV show, 'The Biggest Loser', then you might recognize Jillian Michaels. (the ads are all over yahoo) I was looking at her website and the photos she has on her site. She is definatly showing off the muscularity:

http://www.jillianmichaels.com/publicsite/funnel/index.aspx?promo=4E697054-2480-458B-A19A-63257FD1001A

I'm just wondering if it's a trend for women who are obese to say, "I'd rather have some muscle like Jillian Michaels than to be 150 lbs overweight"

[genex]

Yeah she kinda looks like Devana Medina too...

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What I mean by "done right" is....NOT too bulky or manly looking...everything is even...her body is proportionate...the total package...perfection

I mean I dont think men like women looking like men....there are some out there...that is a major turn off...I think they are seen more then the "just right gurls"

and YES James, Hans and GeneX have posted some "DONE RIGHT" pics...

Does it make since now Duckbump???



I see what you now like. I personally do not like too much vascularity on a woman myself. Or on a man either for that fact. It's a fine line in this sport what is too much. :sprite10:

The Ms Olympia competitors are great too look at in a bodybuilding sense......hair, makeup done really well. But in a sexually attractive sense I do not find them all that appealing.

[ricard]

I do not believe the word "turned-off" is accurate. "Not acceptable" is more accurate. Quite frankly I could not care less if the world does not embrace FBB. I am married to a FBB and experience this very often.
Men either like muscular woman or they are threatened by them. Sometimes both apply. We live in affluent,religious suburbia and women do certainly not accept my wife. She has basically given up trying to make friends. She has no shortage of male admirers though.
Since we mostly train at the same time but not together, I often hear what people say about her, especially when we visit another gym.
Typically a woman would ask her husband/boyfriend what he "thought about her". Predictably he would then say that he "does not like it" and then spend the rest of his time in the gym sneaking a peak at her when his wife is not looking. And next time he will try and start up a conversation when his wife/grilfriend is not around. So gimme a break. I believe most men like it but that does not mean they are going to go to a BB show. Overwhelmingly women are totally sexually threatened by her or any other fbb for that matter. Especially if they have a boyfriend or husband to "protect".
Ricard

[mikewill]

Yea, I can see what you mean ricard, about guys saying one thing, but meaning the other. Once in awhile we have a name FBB train at my gym. A lot of guys don't talk to her while she's training but they're all working the mirrors to get a look at her. Some of the guys will talk to her, but the whole attitude of the gym changes when she's around, she has that kind of impact.

The thing I don't understand, is that if it's such a niche sport, and they get a lot of hassle from other guys, why is it they're so distant to the guys who support them? I find that most girls won't even reply to a complimentary email now. Myself and others I've talked to say that we're certainly not over the top with the letters. I just find they put less and less effort into the fans. I dunno, maybe they're just too busy ................

[Tre]

Maybe it's the weather or something, but something odd is going on...

Or maybe it's just me...

Well, if your listed 'location' is correct, it could be the fact that you're in Utah...

[Echo]

The thing I don't understand, is that if it's such a niche sport, and they get a lot of hassle from other guys, why is it they're so distant to the guys who support them?

Answer #1: Because some of "the guys" are an embarrassment to be associated with.

Answer #2: Because some of "the guys" make their psychosocial dysfunctionality so obvious that it is inadvisable to open or expand the lines of communication with them. As a result, the guys that do not harbor questionable ulterior motives, "the good guys," often find themselves getting the same response as "the bad guys" because both, unfortunately, are assumed to be "creeps."

Answer #3: While guys can sometimes be "creepy," there is nothing "creepy" about a PayPal deposit into your bank account.

[Echo]

Well, if your listed 'location' is correct, Numenlad, it could be the fact that you're in Utah...

I disagree with you, Tre. Residing in Utah is probably an asset, not a liability. Utah is a male heterosexual's dream. In Utah you are talking about a state in which marriage is defined by some as a union between a man and a woman,.....and another woman....and another woman.....and another woman....

[ricard]

I disagree with you, Tre. Residing in Utah is probably an asset, not a liability. Utah is a male heterosexual's dream. In Utah you are talking about a state in which marriage is defined by some as a union between a man and a woman,.....and another woman....and another woman.....and another woman....

Funny,
And yes you are right sometimes a well meaning balanced individual will be avoided or ignored. My wife is very carefull who she talks to and if she is at a gym where she does not know the people, even more so.

Question: Are you sure there are any FBB's in SLC Numen?

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I do not believe the word "turned-off" is accurate. "Not acceptable" is more accurate. Quite frankly I could not care less if the world does not embrace FBB. I am married to a FBB and experience this very often.
Men either like muscular woman or they are threatened by them. Sometimes both apply. We live in affluent,religious suburbia and women do certainly not accept my wife. She has basically given up trying to make friends. She has no shortage of male admirers though.
Since we mostly train at the same time but not together, I often hear what people say about her, especially when we visit another gym.
Typically a woman would ask her husband/boyfriend what he "thought about her". Predictably he would then say that he "does not like it" and then spend the rest of his time in the gym sneaking a peak at her when his wife is not looking. And next time he will try and start up a conversation when his wife/grilfriend is not around. So gimme a break. I believe most men like it but that does not mean they are going to go to a BB show. Overwhelmingly women are totally sexually threatened by her or any other fbb for that matter. Especially if they have a boyfriend or husband to "protect".
Ricard

I'm surprised to hear that. At my gym women aren't threatened by the big women at all. Everybody gets along well and realizes that we all have the same goal.....to get in shape. The heavyweight female bodybuilders I know also have no shortage of female friends. Are you sure people don't like your wife because she is big and muscular? Or could it perhaps be another reason. I've just never seen this myself. Maybe Edmonton is alot friendlier than where you live?

[Grant]

I mentioned this on another thread, and it's almost a touchy area. I seem to easily get an attachment for things that are unpopular (either unpopular in the sense of being criticized, or of almost not being talked about AT ALL), like "bad" horror movies (for reasons APART from that whole "camp" reason ; in other words, simply as MOVIES). I just about never become attached to something ENTIRELY for that reason, but instead of being a bad thing, it's usually a kind of icing on the cake. And that's the case with FBBs - I certainly started liking them for THEMSELVES, but the way they're often looked at was not only far from discouraging to me, it actually ADDED to the enjoyment. (Although when I first got COMPLETELY caught up in the subject, the talk about them - even the NEGATIVE talk - was smaller, since it was starting to be no longer such a "pop culture" subject.) This is the slightly touchy part - even though I don't want to ignore the feelings of FBBs, and their fans, almost the last thing I'd want is complete "acceptance" of them, or even anything terribly close to that, because I still like to think of them and what they do (and even their fans) as "rebellious" (or any similar word you might want to use), and look at what almost always happens when something like that becomes completely "accepted." Of course, I would like to see FBBs make more of a comeback in the public eye. But again, even if it were in negative ways (like the "Axe" commercial, where the character REGRETS waking up and finding Jitka in his room!), that wouldn't bother me nearly as much as it would a lot of you. Again, to me, hearing something that I like being put down is almost a kind of "confirmation" that I should KEEP liking it.

[Duckbump]

Personally I don't know of any FBB's in Salt Lake City, but that doesn't mean there aren't any.
I used to live in PA, near Pittsburgh, and while they did have bodybuilding comp every year or so, you never heard about it (I think once I saw a newspaper article, with a very unflattering pic of an FBB, (no offence to the older ladies, but this one looked like she was about 50+ and was not too attractive even as an FBB, again no offence, but I think they did it on purpose, to make them look bad.
I know for sure that Kristy Hawkins, among others have been there, (not necessarily that year) and they could have picked a more attractive lady for the pic)
However, the only FBB I knew about living in or near Pgh, was Sarah Dunlap, (who I have never met) so far as I know there are none there. I still visit Pgh occasionally on business, and I have family there so I do keep up with the news. But there is absolutely no FBB scene there as well as here.

ricard I hope that answers your question. (I don't want to start another topic with this but it's just a point) As to the possibility of any FBBs possibility wanting to associate with me are slim to none, (I'm talking primarily on a dating basis,) because, I am rather overweight, and though I have made attempts to get in shape, (and continue too, along with a moderate diet and working out 5 days a week.) And if this is such a turn off to most common women, how much more to the uncommon women a large part of their life revolves primarily on being in shape.
(Let's face it ladies, you are uncommon, both in dedication and perseverance, as well as appearance.)


LOL at mention of Kristy Hawkins. :p

[MsGuns]

But the bigger women are not appealling to me either...its just not natural...

It looks like they are not in their real bodies...

and when I see veins...oh my gosh...that is soooo...

I see what you now like. I personally do not like too much vascularity on a woman myself. Or on a man either for that fact. It's a fine line in this sport what is too much. :sprite10:

The Ms Olympia competitors are great too look at in a bodybuilding sense......hair, makeup done really well. But in a sexually attractive sense I do not find them all that appealing.

[MsGuns]

and the Mr. Olympia competitors are too much for me...

its not real....

I mean could I get a real hug from them? smile

[MsGuns]

I do reply...even to the crazy ones who invite me to their country...

I even replied to one who claimed he wanted to donate and he stalked me for months til a few fans emailed him and gave him some choice words...

i have a few who check in w/ me once a week...

i have a few who would like to donate and become a members when my site goes up...

I get asked for a signed autographed all the time...but I dont have any pics and want to wait til my site goes up...

But Im on the computer mostly at night...I have to force myself to get off..and dont let it be friday or saturday night... oh my...im on here for hrs...

and Im not BIG time YET...but I will continue to speak to my fans or admirers as one told me...LOL

Yea, I can see what you mean ricard, about guys saying one thing, but meaning the other. Once in awhile we have a name FBB train at my gym. A lot of guys don't talk to her while she's training but they're all working the mirrors to get a look at her. Some of the guys will talk to her, but the whole attitude of the gym changes when she's around, she has that kind of impact.

The thing I don't understand, is that if it's such a niche sport, and they get a lot of hassle from other guys, why is it they're so distant to the guys who support them? I find that most girls won't even reply to a complimentary email now. Myself and others I've talked to say that we're certainly not over the top with the letters. I just find they put less and less effort into the fans. I dunno, maybe they're just too busy ................

[Echo]

I do reply...even to the crazy ones who invite me to their country...

I even replied to one who claimed he wanted to donate and he stalked me for months til a few fans emailed him and gave him some choice words...

...and Im not BIG time YET...but I will continue to speak to my fans or admirers as one told me...LOL


Does someone care to talk some sense into Ms. Guns before she finds herself in deep water? Or, should we just wait for someone to post an obituary from the Houston Chronicle?

Those with experience are not "LOL" ...be careful foolish sistah.

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Does someone care to talk some sense into Ms. Guns before she finds herself in deep water? Or, should we just wait for someone to post an obituary from the Houston Chronicle?

Those with experience are not "LOL" ...be careful foolish sistah.


I actually don't think she's being foolish. I think if you can respond to all fans you should. They take the time to write you.

Some are weird...yes. But if you are careful of the info you give, then it shouldn't be a problem.

She can ignore problem people......if it gets to be too much she can take more drastic steps like restraining orders or what she did.

There will always be weirdos out there.

[CalJoe]

Answer #1: Because some of "the guys" are an embarrassment to be associated with.

Answer #2: Because some of "the guys" make their psychosocial dysfunctionality so obvious that it is inadvisable to open or expand the lines of communication with them. As a result, the guys that do not harbor questionable ulterior motives, "the good guys," often find themselves getting the same response as "the bad guys" because both, unfortunately, are assumed to be "creeps."

Answer #3: While guys can sometimes be "creepy," there is nothing "creepy" about a PayPal deposit into your bank account.
I would agree on all 3 counts.

[CalJoe]

I disagree with you, Tre. Residing in Utah is probably an asset, not a liability. Utah is a male heterosexual's dream. In Utah you are talking about a state in which marriage is defined by some as a union between a man and a woman,.....and another woman....and another woman.....and another woman....
While I find this practice to be a source of incredible hypocrisy, I nonetheless find this post to be absolutely hilarious:woot: .

[MsGuns]

Im trying to ignore people now...

But they still keep popping up...

Ive learned my lessons...

I actually don't think she's being foolish. I think if you can respond to all fans you should. They take the time to write you.

Some are weird...yes. But if you are careful of the info you give, then it shouldn't be a problem.

She can ignore problem people......if it gets to be too much she can take more drastic steps like restraining orders or what she did.

There will always be weirdos out there.

[Duckbump]

While I find this practice to be a source of incredible hypocrisy, I nonetheless find this post to be absolutely hilarious:woot: .


BWAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!:banana: :) I found this post hilarious also!!!!!

[Echo]

I actually don't think she's [Ms. Athletic] being foolish. I think if you can respond to all fans you should. They take the time to write you.

Your opinion is not surprising.


Some are weird...yes. But if you are careful of the info you give, then it shouldn't be a problem.

Boy, have you got a lot to learn. Never underestimate the lengths that one motivated, psychosocially dysfunctional individual with a computer will go to find ways to come in contact with their target. Women, like Ms. Athletic, need to come top the realization that they may be toying with the emotions of people....potentially unstable people. One should avoid giving them reasons to pursue you.

She can ignore problem people......if it gets to be too much she can take more drastic steps like restraining orders or what she did.

Ask Nicole Brown Simpson about the protective benefits of police reports and restraining orders. Oh, I forgot...you can't ask her, she's six feet under. O.K., ask any Woman who has been the victim of abuse or harrassment if these "drastic steps" has provided them with complete peace of mind.

There will always be weirdos out there.

You are absolutely right.

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Your opinion is not surprising.



Boy, have you got a lot to learn. Never underestimate the lengths that one motivated, psychosocially dysfunctional individual with a computer will go to find ways to come in contact with their target. Women, like Ms. Athletic, need to come top the realization that they may be toying with the emotions of people....potentially unstable people. One should avoid giving them reasons to pursue you.



Ask Nicole Brown Simpson about the protective benefits of police reports and restraining orders. Oh, I forgot...you can't ask her, she's six feet under. O.K., ask any Woman who has been the victim of abuse or harrassment if these "drastic steps" has provided them with complete peace of mind.



You are absolutely right.

It's rare when somebody gets out of hand. Nicole Simpson was the minority....not the majority. Psychos are not common......you are making a big deal out of nothing.

[Echo]

......you are making a big deal out of nothing.

That is an interesting comment. Do you know who also says the same thing? Predators.

For your information, Senators John McCain and Charles Schumer are joining together to sponsor the "Keeping The Internet Devoid Of Sexual Predators Act of 2007." The issue must not be "nothing" if it has the attention of members of the U.S. Congress.

[PassionateBB]

It's rare when somebody gets out of hand. Nicole Simpson was the minority....not the majority. Psychos are not common......you are making a big deal out of nothing.

You are quite wrong. Ask almost any female bodybuilder about a Charles Benner. Or a Neil Strong. What starts out as "fan" email quickly turns into frightening and disturbing rants. When you ask these men to stop emailing you, it just fuels their fire and you get more 2 page novellas that are filled with nothing but anger and yes, even threats. Charles B. threatened me. It took filing a police report and making that fact public on a forum for him to leave me alone. The other guy or someone like him somehow got the cell phone and home numbers of alot of girls and called them.

It is not about making a big deal out of nothing. It's called being smart. The term "fan" comes from fanatic. Unfortunately, there are plenty of fanatics out there. And no, you do not have to respond to every email you get. The best thing you can do is not be naive and listen to your gut instinct.

[genex]

Peg is right on there. Our advice is if an email is inflammatory or rude, you are better off not even replying at all. Some of these folks get off on knowing they are acknowledged and making an impact on someone...

[mikewill]

Well, if your listed 'location' is correct, it could be the fact that you're in Utah...
Not quite sure I understand where your going with this Tre. Are you saying that girls in Utah, don't usually talk?
Maybe the travel agents could market this as "The World Famous Quiet Girls of Utah!" I know some guys that would probably like that actually..............

[mikewill]

You know it's really sad to hear that the ladies have to take so many precautions from guys these days. But on the other hand there are mentally well balanced guys ( I'm nominating myself into this category ;) ) who feel it's almost a waste of time to write a fan email.
It's too bad...... it's my honest opinion the ladies should be celebrated. And it's too bad that I'm automatically lumped into the "creep" pile. :headscrat
I guess I'll just have to walk it off the next time I feel like giving a compliment, and keep quiet.

Maybe I'll move to Utah, I hear it's a quiet place............

[mikewill]

You are quite wrong. Ask almost any female bodybuilder about a Charles Benner. Or a Neil Strong. What starts out as "fan" email quickly turns into frightening and disturbing rants. When you ask these men to stop emailing you, it just fuels their fire and you get more 2 page novellas that are filled with nothing but anger and yes, even threats. Charles B. threatened me.............
It is not about making a big deal out of nothing. It's called being smart. The term "fan" comes from fanatic. Unfortunately, there are plenty of fanatics out there. And no, you do not have to respond to every email you get. The best thing you can do is not be naive and listen to your gut instinct.

I'm sorry to hear that, nobody needs this in their life. Although it's great to get a response from your favourite FBB, I agree, you ladies have to be careful when responding.

[bigv]

and the Mr. Olympia competitors are too much for me...

its not real....

I mean could I get a real hug from them? smile


my ex who i remain very close to was in th O a few years back ! an she was one of the kindest best girls i ever dated ! i think its only natural for someone that loves the sport to have someone that feels the same way ! IT MAKES DIETING ALOT EASIER ! :lurker:

[MsGuns]

they are pretty nice...checking on me...

Some are out there and I dont reply...

You know it's really sad to hear that the ladies have to take so many precautions from guys these days. But on the other hand there are mentally well balanced guys ( I'm nominating myself into this category ;) ) who feel it's almost a waste of time to write a fan email.
It's too bad...... it's my honest opinion the ladies should be celebrated. And it's too bad that I'm automatically lumped into the "creep" pile. :headscrat
I guess I'll just have to walk it off the next time I feel like giving a compliment, and keep quiet.

Maybe I'll move to Utah, I hear it's a quiet place............

[MsGuns]

he just emailed me...OMG!!!!

You are quite wrong. Ask almost any female bodybuilder about a Charles Benner. Or a Neil Strong. What starts out as "fan" email quickly turns into frightening and disturbing rants. When you ask these men to stop emailing you, it just fuels their fire and you get more 2 page novellas that are filled with nothing but anger and yes, even threats. Charles B. threatened me. It took filing a police report and making that fact public on a forum for him to leave me alone. The other guy or someone like him somehow got the cell phone and home numbers of alot of girls and called them.

It is not about making a big deal out of nothing. It's called being smart. The term "fan" comes from fanatic. Unfortunately, there are plenty of fanatics out there. And no, you do not have to respond to every email you get. The best thing you can do is not be naive and listen to your gut instinct.

[tyler]

I personally think it's because many of those people are simply out of their minds. Attraction is a very unpredictable trait that is guided by one's interpretation of the mate's perceived "survival and replication" (aka S&R) value.

It is absurd to think that a stronger fitter female would actually detract from that S&R value and therefore also absurd IMO for a majority of people to be turned off by this. That is the logical excuse I've lived by, but there are flaws in my excuse and the logic is incomplete strictly by what I've said so far.

If we consider some of the broader factors of attraction (particularly those which have become far more intricate as our human species has evolved), the S&R values for sizing up mates now incorporate many elements of social fitting or placement within our "tribes" because success of our species is tied to successess of members within our species - higher status or reverence within any species often being an indicator of a mate's chances of success/value within the species. Human tribes, of course, have broader or smaller scale relevance depending on the scope, frame, culture, or circle of influence from which the mate is being analyzed.

For instance, in these forums we can mostly agree on the overall FBB attraction, and can therefore be consciously and unconsciously poised to elicit this type of attraction. The people of the world however, (on a larger scale) do not have this level of acceptance of FBBs being socially well placed in our animal status ladder.

Attraction is a very depedent on circle of influence too which can show wide variance based on the tribal demographic/factors of the people. Different time periods show this as well... chubby = status in ancient roman times; pale skin in earlier american history, etc. You can also see wide variances in factors of attraction today based on cultural regions (ie. droopy lips or ear-lobes in parts of Africa for example).

So my point in the last paragraph is to stress that the overall cultural acceptance or time period of an idea also presents a certain level of perceived value that is unconsciously factored into an individual's evaluation of what is attractive or not.

Bottomline: if we consider the social status as part of the attraction value of FBBs with respect to the broader communities or cultural influences on this planet, then it becomes more apparent why a logically fit FBB mate might have an unconsciously deteriorated S&R value in many people's minds due to perceived ostracization within the respective tribes. Our FBB forum is a good example of a tribe immune to this social non-acceptance, therefore our unconscious is pretty free of that barrier.

Also, when you realize the fact that attraction is not a choice (http://socialskillz.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=31), you can see how the unconscious plays a big role in the mate selection process. The fact that many people's unconscious influences cause them to believe the contradiction that FBBs have lower S&R value is why I think that the many people do not generally find them attractive, and are subsequently "out of their minds".

It only makes logical sense for any male in our species to be attracted to a fitter woman and society should promote fit women more in order to destroy outdated and illogical standards for attraction. :D

[bigv]

male in our species to be attracted to a fitter woman and society should promote fit women more in order to destroy outdated and illogical standards for attraction. :D



i agree with this !!! 100 %

[TomNine]

Sorry to bring this thread back up, but here's a good example of how the general population responds to even the smallest amount of muscle on a woman.

http://www.tmz.com/2007/02/26/p-nk-to-compete-in-mr-universe

[Maxt]

Hey Tom thanks for the link and the picture but for one I don't think Pink has anything right there to be ashamed of. Two that is not really the general public but the media and three don't you think she looks OK?

[Duckbump]

I think the reason Pink looks manly is moreso her facial features. I think most FBB's look more feminine than her even with muscles. That is just not the most flattering pic. If you put Cindy Crawford's head on that body, the guys would be like.....love the definition....so sexy!!!

[MarkH]

Kelly Ripa used to have small but noticeable arm muscles but seems to have foregone that judging by how she looked on Jimm Kimmel Monday.

[genex]

So there's a new Robert Crumb exhibit in Philadelphia - and of course he was public with his desire for muscular women. You can read about the exhibit in today's NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/05/arts/design/05crum.html?_r=1&ref=design&oref=slogin

[James]

Now I'm inspired to get some Crumb comics at a comic show this weekend!! Haha. He was awesome

How to Have Fun With a Strong Girl (http://www.taschen.com/pages/en/catalogue/sex/all/00338/facts.robert_crumbs_sex_obsessions.htm)

http://www.taschen.com/media/images/480/cover_ce_crumb_0710171227_id_11314.jpg

http://www.taschen.com/media/images/640/page_ce_crumb_02_0710081549_id_11614.jpg

http://www.taschen.com/media/images/640/page_ce_crumb_03_0710081549_id_11624.jpg

http://www.taschen.com/media/images/640/page_ce_crumb_04_0710081549_id_121165.jpg

http://www.taschen.com/media/images/640/page_ce_crumb_05_0710081549_id_121175.jpg

[Grant]

Obviously this is a very delicate subject, but I think that (as with anything else) people who think "stalker" at almost the drop of a hat, at the slightest hint of strangeness about an "admirer," aren't being any more realistic than people who NEVER EVER think that word ; it's just about the same difference. It's also like "the signal and the noise" - people who see it right and left, whetther it's there or not, might MISS seeing it when it actually comes along. Anyway, I don't think walking a line between the two extremes is a dangerous thing to do ; just the opposite. And I also don't think you should walk off the next time you feel like giving a compliment!
You know it's really sad to hear that the ladies have to take so many precautions from guys these days. But on the other hand there are mentally well balanced guys ( I'm nominating myself into this category ;) ) who feel it's almost a waste of time to write a fan email.
It's too bad...... it's my honest opinion the ladies should be celebrated. And it's too bad that I'm automatically lumped into the "creep" pile. :headscrat
I guess I'll just have to walk it off the next time I feel like giving a compliment, and keep quiet.

Maybe I'll move to Utah, I hear it's a quiet place............

[Pandmoanium]

As the husband of an fbb who gets those emails, the compliments are always appreciated by her. Just remember that there is a line that is very often crossed when paying those compliments. Even the ones that have VERY descriptive statements eventually get answered by Emery, though she is very dimplomatic in her responses, because it is, after all is said and done, fan mail.

[trannyster]

Numenlad why do you say most people are turned off by FBB's? How did you arrive at that thought?


I think most of the FBBs are exact equivallent to a perfect MAN.
See the enlarged clits of theirs!!!
I have also experienced a sex with one huge FBB. While doing with her, i felt that her vaginal muscle was so tough & rough that i was in trouble & lost my stamina in some seconds!
I think it is really difficult for a comman man to do sexual intercorce with a FBB because she lost her FEMINA nearly 100%!!
i compaire those FBBs with a sex changed woman.See these pics.She is my Ex GF sandra with her artificial penis!! She is superior than me in every action of sex!!!

[winger]

To the above poster: "Huh?"

This is the pen and ink of Tina Lockwood by Robert Crumb:
http://thumbnails12.imagebam.com/3087/24a82030869344.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/24a82030869344)
Free Image Hosting by ImageBam.com (http://www.imagebam.com)

I have been a fan of his work since my early teens in the 60's/70's and seeing girls like Tina later on brought back all the intrigue I had for Crumb's big legged gals.

As far as stalking goes, I can see where the gals have to be on their guard but hopefully not at the expense of true fans like myself who just enjoy celebrating their beauty. I know that Kristy Hawkins is very selective about email she responds to from me, after all, she dosent know me from Adam, but she has always been polite and appreciative of the support and compliments I send her way.

[mikeylikes]

I always tell my lady, a nationally known fbb, when she gets looks from the "average man or woman", not to assume it is all negative. Many remark how great she looks and she should know that there are many more people out there that appreciate the work she has put in to achieve her development. I am proud to be seen with her, as I am a man of an average, fit build. I feel no intimidation at all and we compliment each very well. Muscles do not mean a loss of femininity.

[femuscleadmirer]

Muscles do not mean a loss of femininity.


I totally agree. I remember the development of Bettina for many years (I am of German origin as well). She has developed slowly but steady. Always showing her own "style" of body.

[ibarramedia]

I totally agree. I remember the development of Bettina for many years (I am of German origin as well). She has developed slowly but steady. Always showing her own "style" of body.

I agree too.

[claus]

I always tell my lady, a nationally known fbb, when she gets looks from the "average man or woman", not to assume it is all negative. Many remark how great she looks and she should know that there are many more people out there that appreciate the work she has put in to achieve her development. I am proud to be seen with her, as I am a man of an average, fit build. I feel no intimidation at all and we compliment each very well. Muscles do not mean a loss of femininity.

Muscles alone do not make the apparency and the appeal of a person.
Look at the gymnasts, they are muscular but loved by public and media, either several other female athletes.
My wife is a top bodybuilder and she always takes care on her look - and normal people like her look - why?
Bodybuilding is more than beef - but since the 90ies it got a sport of freaks. Male and female freaks- thus these athletes themselves, the judges and the hardcore fans produced the bad image of the sport.