The mega shoot

[genex]

A lot of times girls will be faced with a situation of being photographed or video taped by more than one person during a shoot. It may be B-roll footage or behind the scenes stuff or merely additional footage.

Here's one shoot that had FOUR shooters for one figure girl. Her boyfriend guy looks a little bored here...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1164/646188934_deb4fa31b1_o.jpg

[ibarramedia]

Ah Gene shooting the shooters... Do you have a caption that id's the schmotogs as Tre would call them?

[genex]

Les is the guy in the black tank on the left, Lou is sitting with video, Tom is standing in blue with the hat and I"m not sure who's in the upper right doing video...

[ibarramedia]

Les is the guy in the black tank on the left, Lou is sitting with video, Tom is standing in blue with the hat and I"m not sure who's in the upper right doing video...


Tom as in Tom Nine? Thanks Gene.

[genex]

No that's another Tom who works with Lou. I won't use his last name unless Tom wants to volunteer that himself...

[James]

lol. That is funny.

That was one of the sneaky GMV productions tricks that he taught me to do for him. Wayne would roll his video camera up behind someone elses shoots and start rolling video. He'd have some shoots lined up for Sunday, but when there was a little downtime, he would just roam around to other people's shoots and roll vid of their model.

[James]

Her boyfriend guy looks a little bored here...


You've convientely left some space for plenty of 'thought bubbles' of text in that shot. But I wont go there

[Tre]

Reminds me of the old DTV bumrush.

Great shot, Gene.

BTW, let me know if you guys want a video clip of that same scene. :D

[TomNine]

Tom as in Tom Nine? Thanks Gene.

That's my friend Tom A, a college professor in California. The only way to tell us apart is that I don't wear a hat. Here is a photo Jeremy (the MySpace guy) took of me in Chicago, somehow managing to shoot a model by myself.

[MoreMuscles]

You rock, Tom (Nine)!! It's always great to see more of your shots.

Is it okay to ask who the model is in the "megashoot"? I have my guesses, but...

[Tre]

Is it okay to ask who the model is in the "megashoot"?
Yes - that's Lou, of Kriv Studios.

He's perhaps best known as the original subject of the phrase, "I Got Lou'd".

[Kriv]

A lot of times girls will be faced with a situation of being photographed or video taped by more than one person during a shoot. It may be B-roll footage or behind the scenes stuff or merely additional footage.

Here's one shoot that had FOUR shooters for one figure girl. Her boyfriend guy looks a little bored here...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1164/646188934_deb4fa31b1_o.jpg


Hey Gene,
About that Mega-Shoot. That was KrivStudios plus one. Myself (doing the video) and Tom Atkin (my sidekick) doing the photo's, plus Les (the other photographer ) helping us out on break from Steve and Awefilms. The other guy doing video is apparently doing his own thing. Sometimes its tough keeping track of your backside. The Physique Model was Meriza De Guzman, a terrific catch for KrivStudios. The boyfriend is actually a Model himself and was very supportive during the shoot. Looks can be deceiving as far as him being bored. Thanks for that photo of our posse' at work. We did 7 shoots with that crew during the Jr. Nationals weekend in Chicago. All in all, a very good weekend for our crew.
Lou

[genex]

Lou thanks for the info - who else did you all shoot? nice to see you here...

[James]

Here's one shoot that had FOUR shooters for one figure girl. Her boyfriend guy looks a little bored here...

I see your four and raise you 3 more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NoYcAz86x0

[Kriv]

Lou thanks for the info - who else did you all shoot? nice to see you here...


Hey Gene,
Well, besides Meriza, we got to work with Pamela Myers, a Figure girl from Atlanta who has an off the chart combination of muscularity and vascularity. Amy Gilgenbach, a beautiful fitness competitor. Yolanda Pyfer a figure girl from Phoenix who used to compete as a shot putter and throw the discuss for ASU. Jennifer De Joya, another very muscular, beautiful Figure girl from LA. Mary Jo Marriner a tall fitness girl from Colorado who won the routine round, and Stephanie Rupp, another Figure girl from Las Vegas who won the Las Vegas Classic last year.
Had my eye on a few others also, but its tough to bat a thousand when there's so much competition for the shoots, besides the "other factors" involved in getting them in front of the cameras. Gene, I know your very aware of all the problems involved in lining up these shoots.
All in all, I was happy with what we did. See you soon.
Lou

[Tre]

I see your four and raise you 3 more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NoYcAz86x0

*instant classic*

:D

[HDPhysiques]

I guess a lot of schmotogs are scared of Cicadas....... ;)

[Tre]

I guess a lot of schmotogs are scared of Cicadas....... ;)
As well they should be:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/bigphotos/images/070521-cicada-facts_big.jpg

Harmless or not, I have a strong aversion to anything that has bulging red eyes.

[genex]

Yeah I took a shot of one I posted on my blog too:
http://pulp.orangephotography.com/genex/

[James]

Oh are we doing Cicadas outtakes? I have some:

Judy Gaillard at the end of an interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlUSIUHALnQ


And this is robyn mentgen right when a big one landed on her nose. Sorry i dont have the after picture where she freaks out (ha)

[Kriv]

Hey James,
Question, where in the heck did you shoot that interview segment with Robyn? It looks like a Bomb Shelter or something.
Hey Joe, nice job in taking this thread nowhere.
Lou

[TomNine]

The cicadas and the heat made shooting outside difficult, and even the old stand-by location in the walkway was miserable. That location where everybody was shooting was the pool last year, I think it offers more interesting shooting backgrounds as it is now. One time I took a model back there to work and it was even busier than in James' clip, the girl freaked a little about what she was getting into at the site of all those ladies posing in different positions.

If Lou, his crew, and the model are happy with the gang-shoot arrangement, good for them. I suppose most schmotogs start out sneaking in behind another guy then working a second camera, but most of us move on from there.

[genex]

Thanks for bringing it back on topic Tom. Also, of course on Sunday late Tom got chased off from shooting by a hotel staff guy who told Tom and Jen Cowan, his model, that photography on the hotel premises was prohibited even though by then there had probably been over 50 shoots done all over the hotel property!

[James]

Hey Joe, nice job in taking this thread nowhere.
Lou

since this is industry discussion and the industry is going nowhere, i think were still on topic..

as for the background. We had a saying in the motion picture biz: 'If your looking at that, then your looking at the wrong thing..' but to answer your question, it's the concrete circle area outside the hotel.

[Doug Smith]

Unfortunately for my former employers I returned with no photos of any models during the Tana weekend. However, as is my wont, I got plenty of schmotog and schmo candids.

This lovely woman unfortunately kept butting in every time I tried to shoot the WPW duo of Bill Jentz and John Nafpliotis.

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/3059/tana2007candid1df3.th.jpg (http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tana2007candid1df3.jpg)


The sheer nerve of some girls.

For some reason I could not get Mark000 to look at my camera for this shot.

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/249/tana2007candid2sd4.th.jpg (http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tana2007candid2sd4.jpg)

Flustered, I decided to be stealthier and use zoom. Here is a zoom shot of David Cooper of HDPhysiques shooting Stephanie Kessler with her husband coaching her on how to flex . In the background GeneX is giving Marja pull up lessons.

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9830/tana2007candid3gg0.th.jpg (http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tana2007candid3gg0.jpg)

Finally a schmotogs work is not all behind the camera. Here is a shot of the infamous and elusive musclecamguy (who prefers to remain anonymous) showing the lovely Carmen Knight of the UK how to style and profile.

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/5961/2007tanastylinandprofilob7.th.jpg (http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2007tanastylinandprofilob7.jpg)


Alas, none of these, or the hundreds of other schmo/schmotog shots I took impressed my employers enough to keep me on the payroll. However I hope you enjoy them.

Sincerely Yours

Doug 'Schmiddy' Smith

[Tre]

It looks like a Bomb Shelter or something.
Hey, Mr. New Guy - there will be NO dissing of the concrete circle area! :mad:

[James]

anyone have a photo of the Schmoe Monolith?

[Kriv]

Hey, Mr. New Guy - there will be NO dissing of the concrete circle area! :mad:


I understand it's been a trendy site for a few of you guys over the years, but still, why park the Mercedes in the barn. Besides Tre', does Mike know your moonlighting? He could schedule another meeting to hold you accountable.
Just kidding Tre', I think....Maybe...Possibly.
Lou

[HDPhysiques]

I understand it's been a trendy site for a few of you guys over the years, but still, why park the Mercedes in the barn. Besides Tre', does Mike know your moonlighting? He could schedule another meeting to hold you accountable.
Just kidding Tre', I think....Maybe...Possibly.
Lou


ROFLWARHFBB @ Lou!!!!!!

[gymdiva1222]

ok y'all have me cracking up over here with this thread...

[MoreMuscles]

No disrespect to anyone here, but I think the real kudos and props need to go to Meriza and the other incredible athletes who put up with this kind of stuff (i.e. gang shooting).

[Kriv]

ok y'all have me cracking up over here with this thread...


Hey Sharon, Glad to see someone is enjoying themselves over this thread. Maybe we'll have to pencil you in for a shoot with KrivStudios.After looking at your My/Space page, you definitely fit our mold. Keep me posted on your competition calender.
Hey Joe, I see you made a reply,but i think we'll need Tre' to decipher it for me. Was it supposed to be funny? Maybe not.
Lou

[Tre]

Besides Tre', does Mike know your moonlighting?

*instant classic*

:D

(is that 2 in 1 thread???)

[gymdiva1222]

Hey Sharon, Glad to see someone is enjoying themselves over this thread. Maybe we'll have to pencil you in for a shoot with KrivStudios.After looking at your My/Space page, you definitely fit our mold. Keep me posted on your competition calender.
Hey Joe, I see you made a reply,but i think we'll need Tre' to decipher it for me. Was it supposed to be funny? Maybe not.
Lou

I'll be competing at Team U and will just stay on diet and do nothing but shoots at USAs two weeks after that! :banana:

I'm especially interested in some more paid work b/c dang that hotel cost for Team U is killing me! contact me any time and we'll set something up! :)

[TomNine]

I don't know how much other folks are getting out of this discussion, but I've long been interested in the subculture of muscle girl fans. The 1998 Women's Strength Extravaganza was the first event I went to, I was lucky enough to meet a lot of the guys active on the scene. It's been fascinating to follow things for almost a decade now.

Thanks for bringing it back on topic Tom. Also, of course on Sunday late Tom got chased off from shooting by a hotel staff guy who told Tom and Jen Cowan, his model, that photography on the hotel premises was prohibited even though by then there had probably been over 50 shoots done all over the hotel property!
This was funny only because it was so late in the weekend and so ineffectually enforced. (We just moved the shoot from the lobby to that "used to be a pool" area from the first photo on this thread.) JP told me the same guy approached him, but he squirmed out of trouble by saying the photos weren't for copyright, just for his own personal use. I tried to reason with the guy logically while Jennifer got kinda got worked up, and neither approach was helping much so we just moved.

If a hotel ever really tried to enforce this sort of no-shoots policy it could be rough on us. I understand why they would try to limit the shoots. For one thing, the place was pretty trashed by the end of the weekend and an easy way to spot the good shooting locations was to follow the Protan stains. Also, there were other groups using the hotel that had to be a little freaked out by seeing all these scantily clad ladies squirming for photographers. I think there was some sort sort of Islamic society convention.

since this is industry discussion and the industry is going nowhere, i think were still on topic.
James, I thought you would be rolling in those venture capital megaEuros by now.

No disrespect to anyone here, but I think the real kudos and props need to go to Meriza and the other incredible athletes who put up with this kind of stuff (i.e. gang shooting).
Of course it's all about the ladies. This touches upon my one concern about the mob shoots and some of the other aggressive schmoe behavior I saw that weekend. The Jr Nationals marks the introduction of many ladies to the national scene and most are probably innocently unaware of the fan scene. I'd hate to think that some of the ladies left with negative feelings about photo shoots or fan interaction. Lou is very smooth with the ladies, but most of us lack his skills there.

I'm especially interested in some more paid work b/c dang that hotel cost for Team U is killing me! contact me any time and we'll set something up! :)
Obviously you aren't interested enough to set the alarm clock.

:mr-t: I pity the fool who cancels a TomNine photo shoot. You will never flex in this town again!

[Kriv]

I'll be competing at Team U and will just stay on diet and do nothing but shoots at USAs two weeks after that! :banana:

I'm especially interested in some more paid work b/c dang that hotel cost for Team U is killing me! contact me any time and we'll set something up! :)


Glad to hear from you. I live in Las Vegas, so I'll be around during the USA's. It is a paid shoot, so we'll help you pay off those expenses. Good luck in NY and keep us posted on the happenings in the Big Apple. I do remember seeing you at some of the other shows, but can't remember if i talked to you. Oh well, see you soon.
Lou

[Tre]

If a hotel ever really tried to enforce this sort of no-shoots policy it could be rough on us. I understand why they would try to limit the shoots. For one thing, the place was pretty trashed by the end of the weekend and an easy way to spot the good shooting locations was to follow the Protan stains. Also, there were other groups using the hotel that had to be a little freaked out by seeing all these scantily clad ladies squirming for photographers. I think there was some sort sort of Islamic society convention.
It'll be rougher on them to try to enforce than it will be on us. The only time I can remember a hotel succeeding in 'running us off' was during the last GNC in Atlanta. And they were only successful because there weren't enough of us to make them give up. With only a few schmotogs on the scene, a threat of "we've notified the police and they'll come if we call them again" can get action, but when there are 20+ different shooters present, the hotel staff is outgunned and they're better off letting us do our thing in peace.

Note that they didn't harrass Tom until the weekend was practically over. If there had still be 15 shoots taking place, he likely would've been left alone.

The Hyatt and other hotels operate the same way as most buildings, however - they don't want their buildings and property photographed for commercial use unless they've been paid a fee. It's similar to the reason you cannot legally shoot at a park in Miami or at a state beach in California without a permit. The one good thing about shooting in public spaces (parks, beaches, etc.) is that the permits are generally priced according to usage. The same is NOT always true of buildings, though - I inquired about the cost once and it was a lot more than I thought it should be and way more than I'd ever pay.

Gene can tell us all more about that.

In general, a simple "We're here with the show" tends to work in most places. Being low on the totem pole, they assume that screwing with you will cause the event organizers to think twice about returning, so you'll generally get a reply of "Oh, ok".

[Tre]

This was funny only because it was so late in the weekend and so ineffectually enforced. (We just moved the shoot from the lobby to that "used to be a pool" area from the first photo on this thread.) JP told me the same guy approached him, but he squirmed out of trouble by saying the photos weren't for copyright, just for his own personal use. I tried to reason with the guy logically while Jennifer got kinda got worked up, and neither approach was helping much so we just moved.
Next time, just say, "Don't make me call Paco!"

[James]

This touches upon my one concern about the mob shoots and some of the other aggressive schmoe behavior I saw that weekend.

you mean these guys? They are easy to spot

[Tre]

you mean these guys? They are easy to spot

http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/images/smilies/1.gif

Best. Post. Ever.

James - you owe me a new keyboard! :D

[gymdiva1222]

Obviously you aren't interested enough to set the alarm clock.

:mr-t: I pity the fool who cancels a TomNine photo shoot. You will never flex in this town again!


et tu TomNine??????


and I did set the alarm...I just slept through it :(

[TomNine]

et tu TomNine??????

and I did set the alarm...I just slept through it :(
The Mr T reference indicates the comment was meant ironically. Of course I still love you, Sharon.

[Kriv]

I don't know how much other folks are getting out of this discussion, but I've long been interested in the subculture of muscle girl fans. The 1998 Women's Strength Extravaganza was the first event I went to, I was lucky enough to meet a lot of the guys active on the scene. It's been fascinating to follow things for almost a decade now.


This was funny only because it was so late in the weekend and so ineffectually enforced. (We just moved the shoot from the lobby to that "used to be a pool" area from the first photo on this thread.) JP told me the same guy approached him, but he squirmed out of trouble by saying the photos weren't for copyright, just for his own personal use. I tried to reason with the guy logically while Jennifer got kinda got worked up, and neither approach was helping much so we just moved.

If a hotel ever really tried to enforce this sort of no-shoots policy it could be rough on us. I understand why they would try to limit the shoots. For one thing, the place was pretty trashed by the end of the weekend and an easy way to spot the good shooting locations was to follow the Protan stains. Also, there were other groups using the hotel that had to be a little freaked out by seeing all these scantily clad ladies squirming for photographers. I think there was some sort sort of Islamic society convention.


James, I thought you would be rolling in those venture capital megaEuros by now.


Of course it's all about the ladies. This touches upon my one concern about the mob shoots and some of the other aggressive schmoe behavior I saw that weekend. The Jr Nationals marks the introduction of many ladies to the national scene and most are probably innocently unaware of the fan scene. I'd hate to think that some of the ladies left with negative feelings about photo shoots or fan interaction. Lou is very smooth with the ladies, but most of us lack his skills there.


Obviously you aren't interested enough to set the alarm clock.

:mr-t: I pity the fool who cancels a TomNine photo shoot. You will never flex in this town again!


My first show was the Extravaganza too. It was in 1988 and boy was i nervous. Traveling into NYC and then finding my way to some town in New Jersey. That was quite an ordeal for me back then and of course I didn't know a soul when I settled in for the weekend. I didn't realize at that time, the guys who were there, were just like me, in some form or fashion. It turned out to be a great weekend and probably shaped the way I live much of my life to this day. I guess we owe a debt of gratitude to Kenny Kassel for putting on that show back in the day. The one competitor who i was lucky enough to meet and chat with that weekend was Cynthia Meintzer. She was so amazing and friendly. Cynthia was probably the first girl i ever asked to flex for me. Before she flexed, she explained how her biceps were so peaked and hard. It's hard to explain that sequence of events, but after that experience, I'm not sure i had a logical thought process going on in my head until well after I returned to Cleveland.
I returned to the show the following year and also there was the Professor, Mr. Tom Atkin. A few years later at the Jan Tana, we met our buddy Dave Cooper, and since then, we've added quite a few more to the ranks. It's been an interesting ride to where we are today. I'm not sure i could have imagined it would become what we experienced in Chicago though.
Anyway Tom, thanks for the reference concerning my smoothness with the Models. Its appreciated considering it came from somebody like you who's been around the scene for as long as you have.
Lou..KrivStudios

[gymdiva1222]

hee hee I know silly! honestly, that whole day went awry...the only thing that went as planned was the nightshow! hopefully Team U will flow better and if you're going to vegas I'd love to work with you...I'll be there early like I was in ohio! ;)

[gymdiva1222]

Next time, just say, "Don't make me call Paco!"


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Tre]

et tu TomNine??????
Sharon - like you, I learned the hard way not to F with TomNine.

I had to cancel my plans for the 2006 BodyRock at the last minute, which meant no Best Biceps contest for TomNine to judge.

He hasn't done a shoot for me since.

Furthermore, he didn't even allow the BodyRock to return this year - Tom had the entire thing cancelled in order to punish me for skipping last year.

[gymdiva1222]

so that's why the body rock is not happening this year! wooooow...

[TomNine]

This is the only way Tre will learn his lesson, it had to be done.

[HDPhysiques]

Hey Joe, I see you made a reply,but i think we'll need Tre' to decipher it for me. Was it supposed to be funny? Maybe not.
Lou


Lou, ROFLWARHFBB is another internet acronym, like "lol" (laughin out loud), "rofl" (rolling on the floor laughing), "LMAO" (laffin' my ass off), etc...... popularized in various chat rooms over the years.

Usually, it's just ROFLWAFBB - "rolling on the floor laughing with a Female Bodybuilder"

But in my case, the RH has to be added for "red-headed"........... or I get in trouble. :)

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/3609/heatherb004kv1.th.jpg (http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=heatherb004kv1.jpg)

[genex]

Hey Joe, Heather is looking fantastic! Tell her I said hey!

[CalJoe]

A lot of times girls will be faced with a situation of being photographed or video taped by more than one person during a shoot. It may be B-roll footage or behind the scenes stuff or merely additional footage.

Here's one shoot that had FOUR shooters for one figure girl. Her boyfriend guy looks a little bored here...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1164/646188934_deb4fa31b1_o.jpg
Shouldn't the athlete being getting paid 4 times the rate:D ??? I mean, after all, how does she know those pics aren't going to 4 different pay sites with her fee being split between the 4 shooters.

[gymdiva1222]

cal that's probably your best post EVER!!!

[nicoleweeks]

I appreciate this thread and the photos of the photogs because I've never done a shoot and my husband and I are both concerned about what goes on behind the scenes. So I've never known who would be safe to shoot with.

I've known Gene since the WTF in 2001 when he got some great action shots of me on the obstacle course. So I've always wanted to do a shoot with him. I've finally jumped from the naturals to NPC in figure, and have advanced to national level. So now I have more opportunities to run into Gene. However, he's booked at Team U. :-(

Sucks.

So maybe next year.

-Nicole Weeks

[TomNine]

Shouldn't the athlete being getting paid 4 times the rate:D ??? I mean, after all, how does she know those pics aren't going to 4 different pay sites with her fee being split between the 4 shooters.
Unless www.BackOfLou'sHead.com has a robust membership section, I wouldn't worry about this approach generating any more revenue than a lone shooter.

[CalJoe]

Unless www.BackOfLou'sHead.com has a robust membership section, I wouldn't worry about this approach generating any more revenue than a lone shooter.
The athlete's physique IS her marketing product, and she should be paid by EVERYBODY who is shooting her.....PERIOD!!!! Someone always wants to be slick and shoot without paying, to those I say "take a freakin' walk".

[CalJoe]

cal that's probably your best post EVER!!!
Always looking out for the athletes my dear:) . Thanks for the kind words:cheers: .

[Kriv]

Lou, ROFLWARHFBB is another internet acronym, like "lol" (laughin out loud), "rofl" (rolling on the floor laughing), "LMAO" (laffin' my ass off), etc...... popularized in various chat rooms over the years.

Usually, it's just ROFLWAFBB - "rolling on the floor laughing with a Female Bodybuilder"

But in my case, the RH has to be added for "red-headed"........... or I get in trouble. :)

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/3609/heatherb004kv1.th.jpg (http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=heatherb004kv1.jpg)


hey Heather,
Thanks for the update on the internet jargon that i apparently missed somewhere along the way. I guess I haven't been around long enough to have been schooled properly. The best thing is that your the one who had to straighten me out on the matter. I'm sure I'll need further schooling on this type of internet speak in the future. Will you be my teacher? I hope so.
Lou

[HDPhysiques]

Hey Joe, Heather is looking fantastic! Tell her I said hey!

Thanks Gene, I sure will... She says "Hi" back to ya!

She wants to shoot with you again now that she's just 4 weeks out from her show and looking GOOD! She had a nice shoot with my boy Danny Ray out in KC this weekend, despite the 400-year flood that seems to be hitting Texas up to Kansas City. lol

[HDPhysiques]

hey Heather,
Thanks for the update on the internet jargon that i apparently missed somewhere along the way. I guess I haven't been around long enough to have been schooled properly. The best thing is that your the one who had to straighten me out on the matter. I'm sure I'll need further schooling on this type of internet speak in the future. Will you be my teacher? I hope so.
Lou


Lou, just for clarification, this is Joe. Heather has her own account here on the GeneX boards (but she rarely has time to use it! - perhaps after her shows, in August, she can spend more time here).

[Kriv]

The athlete's physique IS her marketing product, and she should be paid by EVERYBODY who is shooting her.....PERIOD!!!! Someone always wants to be slick and shoot without paying, to those I say "take a freakin' walk".


Hey CalJoe,
I know your looking out for the Models which is very Noble of you, but there is more to this than meets the eye. If you don't know the agreement between the two parties involved, then your not going to be able to correctly asses the situation. KrivStudios does pay the Models and they also receive a CD of all the photo's taken during the shoot. If there's 2 photographers working the shoot, then there's many more photo's for the Model. Meriza may receive over 400 shots for her own use down the road from that shoot. If she has a web site or needs content for her own porfolio, there probably worth far more than the actual fee we pay her. Many Models that need photo's have to go to a Photographer and Pay Them, so its not exactly the way your portraying it.
As far as Meriza is concerned, she had a lot of fun during the shoot. She hadn't flexed much for shoots before and hardly paid any attention to her biceps. Once she started noticing her arms, she was fixated on them and played with them in a way i could have never told her to do. I can't wait to post those video clips because of how she performed during the shoot.
Also, and i won't include all Models, but a good percentage of them actually enjoy being the center of attention and don't feel like its any kind of burden at all. Many of the Models I work with admit as much. We actually had another person during that weekend working with us that wasn't shown in the photo. Kelly Lynn Nauyokas, a national figure competitor and well know Fitness Model (and one of my best friends) was there actually directing the girls during the shoots. The bottom line: Meriza and the others had fun working with KrivStudios in Chicago.
Lou

[kellynnfitness]

Thanks Lou,

To all those who need request to know who is reputable and who is not must be aware that there is a large network, or better term would be "family" of photographers in the industry and most of these photographers respect each other both personally and professionally. This industry is small, yet the potential for women to make a name for themselves is great. These photographers help women achieve that recognition they deserve.

The only caution I would inform women of is to thoroughly read the model release, ask for references, and only work with those whom you feel comfortable with. Never turn down the opportunity upfront.

I can refer a large number of excellent physique photographers, and if any one wants to know the list, please email me at kellynnfitness@yahoo.com.

If you're a photographer that posts on this forum, chances are I've worked with you or have intended to, so you would be included on the list ;).

[CalJoe]

Hey CalJoe,
I know your looking out for the Models which is very Noble of you, but there is more to this than meets the eye. If you don't know the agreement between the two parties involved, then your not going to be able to correctly asses the situation. KrivStudios does pay the Models and they also receive a CD of all the photo's taken during the shoot. If there's 2 photographers working the shoot, then there's many more photo's for the Model. Meriza may receive over 400 shots for her own use down the road from that shoot. If she has a web site or needs content for her own porfolio, there probably worth far more than the actual fee we pay her. Many Models that need photo's have to go to a Photographer and Pay Them, so its not exactly the way your portraying it.
As far as Meriza is concerned, she had a lot of fun during the shoot. She hadn't flexed much for shoots before and hardly paid any attention to her biceps. Once she started noticing her arms, she was fixated on them and played with them in a way i could have never told her to do. I can't wait to post those video clips because of how she performed during the shoot.
Also, and i won't include all Models, but a good percentage of them actually enjoy being the center of attention and don't feel like its any kind of burden at all. Many of the Models I work with admit as much. We actually had another person during that weekend working with us that wasn't shown in the photo. Kelly Lynn Nauyokas, a national figure competitor and well know Fitness Model (and one of my best friends) was there actually directing the girls during the shoots. The bottom line: Meriza and the others had fun working with KrivStudios in Chicago.
Lou
The situation you present might be the case, but I'm pretty sure there have been countless times where multiple shooters (with different sites) have split a fee and shot the same athlete at the sametime. That is BULLSH1T, plain and simple.

[Juggernaut]

The only people who can restrict your Video Shoot are the people who represent the owners of the property that is being used for the video shoot. If the video shoot is being conducted in public it is just that public. Just like Wayne Gallasch, Bill Dobbins or whomever, I'll shoot whatever I want with my Video Camera when I get one and if any model or model's rep has a problem with that they better come at me with both barrels blasting because I AM the Juggernaut.

[fivegrand]

The only people who can restrict your Video Shoot are the people who represent the owners of the property that is being used for the video shoot. If the video shoot is being conducted in public it is just that public. Just like Wayne Gallasch, Bill Dobbins or whomever, I'll shoot whatever I want with my Video Camera when I get one and if any model or model's rep has a problem with that they better come at me with both barrels blasting because I AM the Juggernaut.


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[CalJoe]

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If you're shooting someone I'm with without paying you better either shut down or open your wallet,,,because I am an ICBM mushroom cloud laying m*ther f*cker....LOL!!!

[fivegrand]

If you're shooting someone I'm with without paying you better either shut down or open your wallet,,,because I am an ICBM mushroom cloud laying m*ther f*cker....LOL!!!

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Oops

What I meant to say was:

If you're shooting someone I'm with without paying you better either shut down or open your wallet,,,because I am an ICBM mushroom cloud laying m*ther f*cker....LOL!!!

Well no worries, because my camera doesn't come out of the bag unless there's a check being written to me.

[Tre]

The only people who can restrict your Video Shoot are the people who represent the owners of the property that is being used for the video shoot. If the video shoot is being conducted in public it is just that public. Just like Wayne Gallasch, Bill Dobbins or whomever, I'll shoot whatever I want with my Video Camera when I get one and if any model or model's rep has a problem with that they better come at me with both barrels blasting because I AM the Juggernaut.
Wouldn't you rather just be respectful of the model instead of having to have hotel security involved?

[John Stutz]

... there is a large network, or better term would be "family" of photographers in the industry and most of these photographers respect each other both personally and professionally...I'll admit, Tre may be considered part of "the family", though I wouldn't go so far as to say anyone actually respects him personally or professionally.

[Tre]

I'll admit, Tre may be considered part of "the family", though I wouldn't go so far as to say anyone actually respects him personally or professionally.
There's no question that I'm the black sheep of the DtV clan.

[John Stutz]

There's no question that I'm the black sheep of the DtV clan.Just joshin' with you. You know we all love you Tre!

[gymdiva1222]

There's no question that I'm the black sheep of the DtV clan.

um, was this a pun? ;)

[CalJoe]

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Oops

What I meant to say was:



Well no worries, because my camera doesn't come out of the bag unless there's a check being written to me.
Excuse me, my comment was meant for Juggernaut.

[CalJoe]

The only people who can restrict your Video Shoot are the people who represent the owners of the property that is being used for the video shoot. If the video shoot is being conducted in public it is just that public. Just like Wayne Gallasch, Bill Dobbins or whomever, I'll shoot whatever I want with my Video Camera when I get one and if any model or model's rep has a problem with that they better come at me with both barrels blasting because I AM the Juggernaut.
If you're shooting someone I'm with you better either shut down or open that wallet, because I'm an ICBM mushroom cloud laying m*ther f*ucker...LOL!! You'll find yourself shooting the f*cking ceiling.

[Kriv]

Just joshin' with you. You know we all love you Tre!


Hey John,
Thanks for throwing that in that we love Tre'. At first i thought you were serious. I was thinking that this thread had really deteriorated to ashes with the trash talking and all the bravado being tossed around. It's always entertaining when Tre' is holding court in the lobby during the various shows. At one point, to me, he was the Sammy Davis Jr. of the "backstage world of bodybuilding". Always Mr. Entertainment. I always thought, I'd like to be just like him. I'm still trying Tre'.
Lou...KrivStudioshttp://www.ftppv.com/ftvideo/images/smilies/drinkA.gifrinkA:
:d:big grin

[John Stutz]

Hey John,
Thanks for throwing that in that we love Tre'. At first i thought you were serious.Unless I'm dispensing my usual gamut of photographic wisdom, it is safe to assume that I am always joking.

[Femphysiquefan]

That's my friend Tom A, a college professor in California. The only way to tell us apart is that I don't wear a hat. Here is a photo Jeremy (the MySpace guy) took of me in Chicago, somehow managing to shoot a model by myself.

HA!!! I'm officially "The MySpace Guy!!!" :p Glad you liked my pic of you enough to post it: Thanks!!! :camera:

[Femphysiquefan]

Thanks Lou,

To all those who need request to know who is reputable and who is not must be aware that there is a large network, or better term would be "family" of photographers in the industry and most of these photographers respect each other both personally and professionally. This industry is small, yet the potential for women to make a name for themselves is great. These photographers help women achieve that recognition they deserve.

The only caution I would inform women of is to thoroughly read the model release, ask for references, and only work with those whom you feel comfortable with. Never turn down the opportunity upfront.

I can refer a large number of excellent physique photographers, and if any one wants to know the list, please email me at kellynnfitness@yahoo.com.

If you're a photographer that posts on this forum, chances are I've worked with you or have intended to, so you would be included on the list ;).


Great post, Kelly!!! It was great to meet you and all the other photographers at Jr. Nats. Hope I get the chance again soon, but that depends on the almighty dollar at this point.