Olympia Meeting - pro FBBs respond to bob cich

[mark000]

Lisa Aukland sent this message to IFBB women, authorized me to post it here:

From: Lisa Aukland <onehuggablerock@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 1:48 PM
Subject: Olympia meeting

Hello,
If you plan on attending the Olympia this year I highly encourage you to attend an athletes meeting being held on Thursday Oct 13th 9pm.
Details on the meeting can be found here: http://www.getbig.com/news/2005-04/100605meeting.htm
The meeting is being called by Bob Cicherello the men's IFBB representative. It is open to ALL IFBB athletes. There is an agenda then an open forum where I believe you may have some comments directed at Bob after you read what he said about FBBers in FLEX (copied below)
If I were able to attend I would tell him his diatribe in FLEX is unprofessional. It’s hard to believe he is a representative for our sport. He is entitled to his opinion but he is in the position of IFBB athlete’s representative; he should not disparage his female IFBB colleagues. He took a cheap shot. This is not the type of professionalism I expect. It is not Pro men versus Pro women. We should all be working together to make sure this sport has a future.

This is an excerpt from an article featured in FLEX magazine (September 2005 pg. 55) by Julian Schmidt.

>>Cicherillo explains, "It has never been viable. Year after year, women's bodybuilding has consistently lost money. One year, the Ms Olympia sold 38 tickets... 38! So the fans have spoken:
from a business perspective, it doesn’t make sense, because it doesn’t survive; nor can it survive.

"It’s a niche market, say its advocates. No, men’s bodybuilding has its niche market; women’s bodybuilding has no market; what little market it has is made up of schmoes and fetishists.
Women’s bodybuilding is an oxymoron. Nothing in the term or the concept matches up. Beautiful, sexy and muscular do not make a harmonious package. Notice the hopeless desperate trend: when women’s bodybuilding became bestial and alienated all interest, women's fitness had to be created to fill the gap. When that became too muscular and abandoned its audience, it had to be replaced with figure. What’s next, bikini contests?

"There is something to be said when Ms. Olympia herself, Lenda Murray - a lovely feminine lady - drops out of the sport because it has become ugly. Sure, they train hard, but they should be trying to become better women, not better men. End it, once and for all. It’s dragging down the entire sport."

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[bigbrother]

As Lisa said, Bob is entitled to have his opinion, but should not spread it out as a representative of the bodybuilding pro's.

I have been a bodybuilder for the last 25 years and went to a lot of shows over those years. There has been a lot of changes in the physique men and women displayed on stage.

Still i take a great pleasure in watching women on stage.
Don't tell me women like Lisa Aukland, Monica Martin, Bonnie Priest, Betty Pariso, Annie Reviccio are ugly. (sorry to all others i didn't mention). They rock .... lots of women would like to display such a body.

On the otherhand, if figure was created to fill in the gap, it missed its target with me. I don't see the use of having all those women on stage, split in A-B-C-D and E caterogies because they are 1 inch taller, and make four quarter turns in front of the judges. This is boring stuff. And the circus comes back after a break with a two piece bikini and another pair of high heels. Booooringgggggggg!!!!
Those girls are gorgeous, but i find a lot alike on the Floridian beaches during summertime. If this is bodybuilding, i understand people are not paying to watch it. And it getting worser as at each contest they give away pro cards to the winner of each class. Next contest there will be 5 classes with each 25 competitors and everybody go for the big nap.

And Bob, i don't consider myself a shmoo or a fetichist, just a bodybuilder in heart and soul, who lives for the sport and is not giving up on fbb because a handful people are convincing themselves this segment is not viable.

[strong woman]

Since not all tickets sold to the Arnold Classic finales on the friday evening are VIP tickets, must mean that some people are buying tickets to see the FBB's compete! Many people leave their seats when the fitness/figure is on but all butts are on the seats for the FBB's rounds. I have attended the Arnold Classic at least 5 times in the last 7 years (including 2004 and 2005), where the friday nights tickets were nearly sold out. I am fully intending to keep supporting the FBB, but I am not going to pay to watch people like Bob and others who will not support their sport (whether it is male or female competing). I have already posted on another thread elsewhere a while ago that just because "they" are picking on the FBB right now will mean "they" will leave the male competitions as they are. We should all stick together, because otherwise "they" will get away with what ever it is "they" want to do to body building as we know it.

I am not a body builder as such (never competed), but I support and follow the sport, train and compete in strong woman.

Hanne

[mark000]

Was the time the Ms O sold "only 38 tickets" by any chance the year (1999) that a California event was supposed to be promoted from Czechosolvakia, and practically no logistical info was available?
That year, when the Ms O was piggybacked on the Women's Extravaganza, I hazily recall a full house and an enthusiastic crowd.

[Harry The Hat]

Strangely, I asked Bob much the same thing on a Muscle Mayhem thread a couple of months ago. I asked him where he got the figure of '38 tickets' from. His answer was 'from Wayne de Melia himself'.

I pointed out that in an article in MuscleMag last year, De Melia went on record as saying that Ms O attendence has risen every year for the last five years. (I think he was telling everybody what a fine job he was doing in turning FBBing around...)

As I said to Bob on that thread, if de Melia isn't to contradict himself, then the latest they could have possibly had this low-point in ticket sales is 1999. The Chic is certainly hitting a low point himself - even for him - when he's digging up attendance figures from the end of the last century in his latest effort to slam women's bodybuilding.

A cynic might even think he's just a mediocre pro male bodybuilder using his trashing of women's bodybuilding to gain himself a notoriety and profile that he could never dream of achieving with his physique.

Someone might also ask Bob why the IFBB gave a 'lovely feminine lady' like Lenda pretty much zero promotion and column inches.

[Tre]

The "38 tickets of '99" has little to do with women's bodybuilding, but had everything to do with logistics, ticket prices, and the fact that they gave up on the show way to early...before the thing had even been promoted. BUT, I believe that Wayne may have kept Jarka (sp?) from losing a small fortune on the show, so the move from Santa Monica to Jersey was the right thing to do at the time.

[Tre]

Is there a united voice among the women? Lenda withdrew from the Olympia, yet I've heard very little discussion about this at all.
That's a very important development that no one is even talking about. The women still either aren't talking with one another or don't care enough to get involved.

[bigenginebb]

I agree that something has to come to pass for fbb. I am a bb'r and my wife is a strong competitor on the national level. We discuss this issue often, but we are always torn on a stand. I understand the competitive nature to push one's self to the limits. I am also smart enough to realize that bb encompasses many perceptions and angles. Personally for me and the women that we have befriended and learned from that I do not believe my wife should use things or do things for the sake of pushing the envelope to win. Lenda won 8x!! 15k a pop. what a joke. did she receive fair compensation? no. did that pay for her chicken, training expenses, entry fees, etc. probably not. There is a point that I believe a fbb decides she is prepared to cross that line wherever it may lie to push the envelope. The push jeopardizes her femininity and risk permanent changes that when the sponsorships, contracts, or hell a pro card never materializes she left with very little resemblence to the lady that started the quest. It is an individual choice and I admire the dedication and drive to push harder, get bigger, and all of that. My only question is at what cost? I am not talking about muscularity. I am pleased to see the criterias coming back to symmetrical and asthetics. Not only in the fbb arena but men as well.
I certainly became concerned when my wife and I began this lifestyle to realize her opportunities for exposure or income could really only come from wrestling, escorting, fetish fantasy, nude or lesbian activities. I thought this is just the other side, but we realized there wasnt the side of contracts, respectable opportunities, or sponsorships. She gets email with offers to meet men in hotels to headlock them and stuff. hey i fault nobody for their fantasies, i have mine. i just hate that it is her only avenue for income should she chose to do that. (she doesnt by the way) Perhaps that was the plan to push the fbb to such levels to actually allow it to destroy itself. You leave them out there with no support and opportunity, what did you think would happen? then they rely on so schmoe with a checkbook and fantasy. hey, if you enjoy it do it. I just think that women should (without ifbb or sponsors) represent themselves as athletes and not mud wrestling entertainers. If i had the money i would sponsor all of you so that you got the respect that you deserved and had opportunity to make good purses from winning. i dont sorry.
My question is do fbb, fitness competitors not buy muscletech, gnc, eas, iss products. if not always for themselves their bf, hubbys, or others?
Do fbb not diet as hard, train as long. Is their 60 minutes of cardio not the same 60 minutes i do? why will supplement companies not throw some dollars their way?
I am rambling now i think, but I will say that the women who desire to be the future of the sport are responsible to change the image and perception of their sport. I will say that fbb is very marketable and positive. i love seeing my wife work hard and the results it brings. i love the women that we have met and the things they endure by the public and others to continue to strive to be their best. but like our friend amanda said, which is so true, they (ifbb npc) make the rules and criterias. so adapt to them or quit, but changing them is unlikely. it is not fair but this is a subjective sport. if the panthers beat the falcons 21 - 14. the panthers are clearly the winner by points scored. when judges sit down and look at physiques that have opinions, politics, motive for decision at times.
hey, i just say be your best and do your best for yourself. in the end when you hang up the trunks and protan still be you and happy with it.
i admire and appreciate all competitors. i have a saying from my first competition. if you must critique, you must compete. everyone is a winner on that stage because you were on it. peace and good luck to all olympia and national competitors coming up. hope to see and speak to everyone in atlanta.
Don

[strong woman]

Well Tre,

with their sport up against the wall, maybe it is a wait-and-se-game? I would think that they are all getting a bit worried about where this will leave them (having the Miss Olympia held at the Expo, nowhere near a proper stage and lighting).

I am looking forward to attending the Arnold Classic 2006 (but I will not be surprised if we will see changes there both in the male and female bodybuilding).

Hanne

PS And there are strong rumors here in Europe about the new BB starting up (you know with Wayne DeMilia). I have heard from a very strong source that there will even be a competition in England under this new company (well that will be one more competition than IFBB).
I was at the English Grand Prix in November 2004, when Kerry Kayes was told be Steve Weinberger (or what ever his name is) that the show would be on again in 2005, so Kerry could go ahead and book the venue. This was promised infront of all the people at the show. Well we now all know that there are no Grand Prix this year anywhere!!

[BodybuilderBeth]

Lisa Aukland sent this message to IFBB women, authorized me to post it here:

From: Lisa Aukland <onehuggablerock@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 1:48 PM
Subject: Olympia meeting

Hello,
If you plan on attending the Olympia this year I highly encourage you to attend an athletes meeting being held on Thursday Oct 13th 9pm.
Details on the meeting can be found here: http://www.getbig.com/news/2005-04/100605meeting.htm
The meeting is being called by Bob Cicherello the men's IFBB representative. It is open to ALL IFBB athletes. There is an agenda then an open forum where I believe you may have some comments directed at Bob after you read what he said about FBBers in FLEX (copied below)
If I were able to attend I would tell him his diatribe in FLEX is unprofessional. It’s hard to believe he is a representative for our sport. He is entitled to his opinion but he is in the position of IFBB athlete’s representative; he should not disparage his female IFBB colleagues. He took a cheap shot. This is not the type of professionalism I expect. It is not Pro men versus Pro women. We should all be working together to make sure this sport has a future.

This is an excerpt from an article featured in FLEX magazine (September 2005 pg. 55) by Julian Schmidt.

>>Cicherillo explains, "It has never been viable. Year after year, women's bodybuilding has consistently lost money. One year, the Ms Olympia sold 38 tickets... 38! So the fans have spoken:
from a business perspective, it doesn’t make sense, because it doesn’t survive; nor can it survive.

"It’s a niche market, say its advocates. No, men’s bodybuilding has its niche market; women’s bodybuilding has no market; what little market it has is made up of schmoes and fetishists.
Women’s bodybuilding is an oxymoron. Nothing in the term or the concept matches up. Beautiful, sexy and muscular do not make a harmonious package. Notice the hopeless desperate trend: when women’s bodybuilding became bestial and alienated all interest, women's fitness had to be created to fill the gap. When that became too muscular and abandoned its audience, it had to be replaced with figure. What’s next, bikini contests?

"There is something to be said when Ms. Olympia herself, Lenda Murray - a lovely feminine lady - drops out of the sport because it has become ugly. Sure, they train hard, but they should be trying to become better women, not better men. End it, once and for all. It’s dragging down the entire sport."

<<
To say that Lenda Murray is dropping out because it has become ugly is just hearsay...... I can not believe this until I would actually here it from herself..... along with so much of what Bob is saying...... so many accusations and not alot of facts!

[Tre]

Well Tre,

with their sport up against the wall, maybe it is a wait-and-see-game? I would think that they are all getting a bit worried about where this will leave them (having the Miss Olympia held at the Expo, nowhere near a proper stage and lighting).

How much more waiting can they do?

When you look at the timeline and consider what's happened over the past 6 years, people on the outside are *definitely* scratching their heads.

So, I guess it's a numbers question. Are more IFBB "pro" female bodybuilders (not including the fans in this) happy about the $10,000 increase in prize money for the Olympia or would more prefer to have their contest on a stage befitting of their stature as the best women bodybuilders in the world?

I've heard arguments on both sides, but from where I sit, it seems the majority are supporting the increase in prize money, no matter how low-end the venue might be (as compared to the other IFBB "pros").

[Tre]

PS And there are strong rumors here in Europe about the new BB starting up (you know with Wayne DeMilia). I have heard from a very strong source that there will even be a competition in England under this new company (well that will be one more competition than IFBB).
I was at the English Grand Prix in November 2004, when Kerry Kayes was told be Steve Weinberger (or what ever his name is) that the show would be on again in 2005, so Kerry could go ahead and book the venue. This was promised infront of all the people at the show. Well we now all know that there are no Grand Prix this year anywhere!!

The thing is, the European federations and promoters don't need any 'blessing' whatsoever from the USA to do anything they want. The IFBB affiliates in Europe gain no advantage at all from being affiliated with the IFBB in N. America. The IFBB here has nothing to offer you guys!

If the current European IFBB members leave the federation, though, there will be no effect either way. It would simply be a change in name...plus, you would no longer be sending thousands of dollars in worthless licensing fees to Canada.

I say go for it - you've got ZERO to lose, because you haven't been getting anything anyway! lol

[Tre]

To say that Lenda Murray is dropping out because it has become ugly is just hearsay...... I can not believe this until I would actually here it from herself..... along with so much of what Bob is saying...... so many accusations and not a lot of facts!
She's withdrawn from the competition because she's not going to lower herself to be part of a circus sideshow.

Props to Lenda for demonstrating such pride in herself as a person.

[jason256]

Just to second Tre's point re. Lenda I also read that Lenda was dropping out due to dissapointment over the side show treatment this year of Ms. O

The 'ugly' part of the sport is the way the IFBB and 'representatives' like
Shillarello are treating it.


Jason256


PS - Did any of you beautiful FBBs on this board ever dump BC's sorry
ass? There has to be something more behind his hostility here (reminds me a lot of John Romano after Shelley Beattie dumped him).

[pussycat]

Bob is kissing the asses of the IFBB Officials like a puppet. So he heard the accusations from Wayne Demilia......what's that telling you. I guess this is his way of having a 'power trip' being the male representative. I think it just goes to show how much he really cares about the athletes. He makes it look like the FBB aren't athletes at all!

Someone needs to bring the accusations he is making to the IFBB and confront them with the Code of Ethics that he is violating against other athletes of the IFBB!

[ibarramedia]

Just to second Tre's point re. Lenda I also read that Lenda was dropping out due to dissapointment over the side show treatment this year of Ms. O

The 'ugly' part of the sport is the way the IFBB and 'representatives' like
Shillarello are treating it.


Jason256


PS - Did any of you beautiful FBBs on this board ever dump BC's sorry
ass? There has to be something more behind his hostility here (reminds me a lot of John Romano after Shelley Beattie dumped him).

Shelley dumped him? What has she been up to?

[bigbrother]

A cynic might even think he's just a mediocre pro male bodybuilder using his trashing of women's bodybuilding to gain himself a notoriety and profile that he could never dream of achieving with his physique.

Someone might also ask Bob why the IFBB gave a 'lovely feminine lady' like Lenda pretty much zero promotion and column inches.

Hit that nail right on the top of the head Harry!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tre]

"Big Brother" - it'll be quite the surprise if there's no "Big Brother" element at this meeting.

The women ought to do their own thing. Will they? I dunno. Only time will tell...

[jason256]

Hi Ibarra

She dumped him a long time back which led to a good decade of him writing FBB bashing editorials on any outlet that would let him (the most notorious being his editorial at Muscular Development). Sadly this is not an uncommon phenomenon. There is a guy Bronx on several boards who is constantly bashing FBBs. He used to be Lisa Arkey's beau (or at least claimed it).

Jason256

Shelley dumped him? What has she been up to?

[CalJoe]

My question for Bob would be, how does he know that only 38 tickets went for Women's BB when the Friday night show consist of BB, Fitness, and Figure. If you buy a ticket for Friday night you're buying everything, and there is no way of seperating it. :confused:

[Echo]

My question for Bob would be, how does he know that only 38 tickets went for Women's BB when the Friday night show consist of BB, Fitness, and Figure. If you buy a ticket for Friday night you're buying everything, and there is no way of seperating it. :confused:


Hey CalJoe!

I'll tell you in advance what "Chick's" thought provoking answer will be to your question: "I don't have to answer to anyone that doesn't have an IFBB pro card. Show me your pro card and then I'll answer your question."

That is the automatic answer that always seems to come forth from this guy when the thought generating capacity of his cerebrum reaches maximum.

I hope that IFBB Pro Women appear in force at the Athlete's meeting and hold his feet to the fire for some of his ill-advised and insensitive comments. And one more thing ladies, when you are at that meeting I want you all at once to pull out your IFBB Pro Cards and stick them in his face. Do it for your friend Echo. Remind him that he is not the only Pro in the room!

[Tre]

My question for Bob would be, how does he know that only 38 tickets went for Women's BB when the Friday night show consist of BB, Fitness, and Figure. If you buy a ticket for Friday night you're buying everything, and there is no way of seperating it. :confused:

In 1999, the Ms. Olympia was initially scheduled to be a standalone event. The Fitness Olympia was scheduled alongside the Mr. Olympia and as you know, there was no IFBB pro figure at the time.

Subsequent to that, we see over and over that people really do not buy tickets to or travel for pro figure events. Fitness had the exact same issue a few years ago, so that's why the "pro fitness circuit" never really panned out.

[Tre]

I'll tell you in advance what "Chick's" thought provoking answer will be to your question: "I don't have to answer to anyone that doesn't have an IFBB pro card. Show me your pro card and then I'll answer your question."

That is the automatic answer that always seems to come forth from this guy when the thought generating capacity of his cerebrum reaches maximum.
That's why I feel that everyone - even those who may not want or think they need it - should have an advocate. It's not to do the thinking for them, but rather to present them with things to think about.

I hope that IFBB Pro Women appear in force at the Athlete's meeting and hold his feet to the fire for some of his ill-advised and insensitive comments. And one more thing ladies, when you are at that meeting I want you all at once to pull out your IFBB Pro Cards and stick them in his face. Do it for your friend Echo. Remind him that he is not the only Pro in the room!
I'm willing to bet dimes to donuts that Chick isn't interested in this being a "let's take the men's rep to task" meeting. Despite his comments, he's likely to enter the meeting stressing harmony and the team concept, but things could get dicey the first time there's a disparaging remark about *his* disparaging remarks.

My question is, who is going to keep track of attendance and how will they know that all the attendees are actually IFBB pros? With all the pro cards that have been given out in figure the past 3 years, almost anyone could walk in and participate.

[jason256]

Hi Guys

Before you get your hopes up about pro FBBs showing up in force you should go back and read what BB Beth had to say on an earlier thread about intimidation of the athletes by IFBB officials.

Basically they were all sent letters stating that they can have their membership cards pulled if they criticize the judging publically in any way. Even if in principle this meeting is not a public event I doubt the IFBB powers that be will make such a subtle distinction in applying sanctions.

Jason256

[BodybuilderBeth]

I was thinking today that the whole idea and speculation of the FBB draining the $$ for the men is not by means of the IFBB at all. If you really think about it the IFBB do not put on the shows, the promoters do....their the ones that come up with the prize money and split it accordingly. The IFBB could not be losing money from this. The IFBB gets their sanctioning fee from the promoter, they get their membership dues from the athletes regardless if they are FBB, fitness, figure, or men.

"This too shall pass" ....... we just need to hold on and stay strong.....this bull**** has been happening since I can remember. Remember when the Ms. Olympia was held on a different day, and then up in the air on where it was going to be held. One year it was even held overseas? wasn't it?

[BodybuilderBeth]

That's why I feel that everyone - even those who may not want or think they need it - should have an advocate. It's not to do the thinking for them, but rather to present them with things to think about.


I'm willing to bet dimes to donuts that Chick isn't interested in this being a "let's take the men's rep to task" meeting. Despite his comments, he's likely to enter the meeting stressing harmony and the team concept, but things could get dicey the first time there's a disparaging remark about *his* disparaging remarks.

My question is, who is going to keep track of attendance and how will they know that all the attendees are actually IFBB pros? With all the pro cards that have been given out in figure the past 3 years, almost anyone could walk in and participate.

maybe what we should do is do a survey at the Arnold or Nationals to see what the fans are seeing......FBB, MBB, fitness, figure.....and check all that they are attending That would be the only true way of knowing how FBB is being attended.

[Maxt]

Good point Beth. The IFBB makes lots of money from all of these fees they collect.

[bigbrother]

Ms. Olympia was held on a different day, and then up in the air on where it was going to be held. One year it was even held overseas? wasn't it?

What is wrong with organising the Olympia overseas? Is it better to have it in Las Vegas, where everybody has to fly in?
Shocking statement Beth!!!

[BodybuilderBeth]

What is wrong with organising the Olympia overseas? Is it better to have it in Las Vegas, where everybody has to fly in?
Shocking statement Beth!!!

I definately don't want to be misunderstood on what I meant by that! I meant that the MS. Olympia got separated from the Mr. Olympia and everybody thought FBB was ending back then......but it got back together...and it is still going, that all I meant to say.

[Maxt]

Please, I have got big love and mad props for Bodybuilder Beth, my "hero" and my true "sister of iron," who has given me such great moments in shows like the 2001 Nationals in Atlanta with the big victory, The Night Of The Champions and the Jan Tana. I understood what she was saying the first time. Bodybuider Beth, you are a legend of female bodybuilding in the 2000's for having shown the way for that symmetry, balance and elegant, poised, graceful stage presence can be a way for female bodybuilding also-not just the biggest muscles but the most "complete package." I think you'll make it back up on that Ms. Olympia stage and most importantly, I am pretty sure there will be one? Female Muscle has changed my life.

[Echo]

What is wrong with organising the Olympia overseas? Is it better to have it in Las Vegas, where everybody has to fly in?
Shocking statement Beth!!!


BigBrother, you seem to be looking for an argument where none exists. Ms. Roberts correctly reminds us that Ms. Olympia began as astand alone event that also included some male guest posers to support the event. At one point, the contest was slated for Los Angeles, but the promotion fell apart. At the last moment, arrangements were finalized to hold the contest in Prague, Czecheslovakia. Kim Chivezsky won that contest. That same year the Fitness Olympia was held in the French Riviera and the event was won by Monica Brant.

At least some, if not most professional athletes and attendees would have to fly in to a contest no matter where it was held. So, what is your point? Ms. Roberts certainly did not say that events should not be held overseas. The only thing that is "shocking" is your wildly incorrect interpretation of her statement.

[kapa]

His point is pretty obvious if you're not an American. Stating One year it was even held overseas? wasn't it? could be taken as implying that anywhere other than the US is unfit to hold the contest. This was obviously not the intention as Beth has explained, but I'm sure your chivallry in defending her online presence will be appreciated!!!

[Harry The Hat]

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Mary Lou didn't take too kind to Bad Bob sassin' her all the time...

Another words, anyone know what happened at the meeting?

[BodybuilderBeth]

What is wrong with organising the Olympia overseas? Is it better to have it in Las Vegas, where everybody has to fly in?
Shocking statement Beth!!!

Big Brother,

Please accept my apology for how I worded that statement, I did not by any means think overseas competitions is a down point. I am all for the IFBB having shows overseas and would ASOLUTELY LOVE to compete overseas.

I'm all for bettering ths sport!

Beth

[jason256]

Big Brother

Be supportive of Beth. No woman is trying to help the sport more than she is right now. If pro FBB had 10 Beths there would be none of these problems.

Jason256

[Maxt]

One year I got my results from the Ms. Olympia in a French Magazine called Le Monde Du Muscle while I was visiting Paris, France. If the finances were right I'd love to see FBB contests in European cities like Paris, London, Munich or even Canada. I said "even" just like Beth said but don't read any bias into that, There is none. When the Japanese fund a IFBB womens pro show, then they could compete there and do a grand prix on the Pacific Rim culminating in Australia. The thing about Las Vegas is that as an event city it works out very well. You have a measure of profitability that is reasonably assured through good planning. The thing about New York was that there were always enough hard core female bodybuilding fans to fill an arena theater.

[Tre]

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Mary Lou didn't take too kind to Bad Bob sassin' her all the time...

Another words, anyone know what happened at the meeting?

There was a meeting already???

[Tre]

Be supportive of Beth. No woman is trying to help the sport more than she is right now. If pro FBB had 10 Beths there would be none of these problems.

Exactly. At least she's being proactive and LOOKING for solutions. As fans, we owe her our support.

[Tre]

When the Japanese fund a IFBB womens pro show, then they could compete there and do a grand prix on the Pacific Rim culminating in Australia.
Have you asked yourself "Why was there no European IFBB Grand Prix circuit this year"??

[bigbrother]

Have you asked yourself "Why was there no European IFBB Grand Prix circuit this year"??
You are going to tell us why, aren't you?
Must be something about big bucks and the IFBB i imagine

[bigbrother]

Exactly. At least she's being proactive and LOOKING for solutions. As fans, we owe her our support.
I didn't say i was not supporting Beth.
I said it was weird to hear such statement from someone so close and so supportive to the sport.
But we call it off, this will lead us to no place.
Mis interpretation it is.