Sarah Dunlap - 3-1/2 weeks out

[Tre]

Here are some new pics of Sarah from Tuesday, just 3-1/2 weeks before her pro debut in New York.

http://www.sarahinmotion.com/free/pics/20050426sarahdunlap/index.htm

She looks ready to do some damage - good luck, Sarah!

http://www.sarahinmotion.com/free/pics/20050426sarahdunlap/images/26April4.jpg

[bigjoeyc]

Nice legs!!!

[Beenaround]

Ok I'm going to get a littler debatable here! Everybody seems to compliment each other, which is great, but on this I'm sorry, that's 3 weeks out?? Is she going down to 135, cause she is going to get spanked in the hvys. Sorry I feel she was one of the most handed to cards as a pro. I'm not hating it's just fact!!!

[Nida]

how much is she weighing in right now?

[HumanFreakShow300]

...Everybody seems to compliment each other, which is great, but...I'm not hating it's just fact!!!

Kudos beenaround. Finally someone has the gumption required to state an opinion or a critique other than one based upon 'sunshine & flowers in a meadow'. i had really stopped commenting on alot of things on this board because of this very fact; It seem as though everyone feels obligated to be super-nice as opposed to being honest. Not everyone has a superb package. This too is a part of the game. Sometimes, i think it would serve best to just spend a little more time in the workshop perfecting a product, before bringing it to market.

Personally, i know when i am off -- especially when getting ready for a competition. The last thing i would like to hear is a group of yes-men telling me how great i am or look rather than telling me i need to step my game up.

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[eseiple]

Kudos beenaround.

Personally, i know when i am off -- especially when getting ready for a competition. The last thing i would like to hear is a group of yes-men telling me how great i am or look rather than telling me i need to step my game up.

One.

I hate when all you get is the fluff and not the truth. I would rather be hurt by honesty than hurt by embarrassment by stepping on stage not ready.

[HumanFreakShow300]

I hate when all you get is the fluff and not the truth. I would rather be hurt by honesty than hurt by embarrassment by stepping on stage not ready.

Amen elena. Amen!

[bigjoeyc]

Kudos beenaround. Finally someone has the gumption required to state an opinion or a critique other than one based upon 'sunshine & flowers in a meadow'.

I don't know about sunshine and flowers in a meadow, but I personally do try and find the best parts. Its cool and I don't have a problem with you guys appraising and critiquing, I just find it hard to do that myself. Its not that I am gutless or a brown-noser or something, I just tend to find the best parts and not the problems. I grew up as the chunky kid and so it’s hard for me to bring up negativity as everybody posted so far has better conditioning then me! But trust me HumanFreakShow300, I am not all about sunshine and flowers in a meadow!!! ;)

[eseiple]

The only thing I will say in Sarahs defense is SHE didn't post her pics here to be critiqued. If she had it would be a different story obviously as she would be asking for advice...

[HumanFreakShow300]

It's all good. We are all family here (i hope). Please note however, i did not mention anyone in particular. i did not make a critique of any physique or comment on anyone's critique of another. i was merely making a reference to the fact that everything is always so 'shiny' -- nothing more. Just a general observation not a finger-pointing opportunity, a dis, or anything negative for that matter. Just looking at it from a different angle. If there is a right, then there has to be a left.

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[eseiple]

Trust me , I am with you HFS300....

[Amanda Dunbar]

Not again..... lol. Tre posts this all over today! haha

check out MM... Michelle, good call.

http://www.chadnicholls.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27414

[Tre]

Sorry I feel she was one of the most handed to cards as a pro. I'm not hating it's just fact!!!

When Sarah Dunlap won the HW and overall at the 2002 NPC Jr Nationals, there were a lot of bodybuilding fans who felt that Heather Policky should've won that show. They made very compelling arguments in support of Heather and there was no debating the fact that she (Heather) had made quite an impression on the crowd.

When Sarah won the HW and overall at the 2002 NPC Nationals in Dallas, however, no such arguments (in favor of other competitors) were made...at least not where the bodybuilding public could see them.

While I agree that the decision at the Jr Nationals could've gone either way, there was no doubt at the Dallas Nationals that she was the HW winner. I'm not here to talk about the overall at that show (Jeannie Paparone won the MW...ahem), only the class.

She was the best in the HW class and that's why she won the pro card from that division. The rest of the top-5 heavies were good, but none of them pulled it all together as well as Sarah did that day. After winning, she gave her body a much-needed break.

I fully expect Sarah to be ready for the NY show. Other than her own board at DtV, I don't think Sarah really reads message boards, so she won't get to use all the comments as 'bulletin board material'. It has been rather entertaining (for me) to watch today, though. I can't wait to see what happens next week. ;)

[Amanda Dunbar]

What was your point to that Tre??

And I know she reads message boards.... lol. She reads all the pertainent ones, always have, always will.... thats just her. I doubt she'll have the balls to post any replies, but for certain she reads what is being said.

Amanda

[bigjoeyc]

What was your point to that Tre??

And I know she reads message boards.... lol. She reads all the pertainent ones, always have, always will.... thats just her. I doubt she'll have the balls to post any replies, but for certain she reads what is being said.

Amanda

I am taking it that Sarah is not all that well liked. Is it just her physique or that she a *&^%$ or something, or a combination??? :confused:

[Amanda Dunbar]

not about physique joey.... that would be mean. you cant change genetics... check muscle mayhem. i posted a link.

Amanda

[HumanFreakShow300]

Hey amanda, i just checked that MM post out and i gotta say, that eMail, that's some crazy stuff. i guess you will never know with people. Also, with that 3½ wks. out (http://www.sarahinmotion.com/free/pics/20050426sarahdunlap/pages/26April6.htm) pic i am not even sure what to make of that. i can say one thing though, the pics of collette are far more impressive at this point. i guess we will have to wait and see.


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[Knight]

Ivers--Why the hating? We have to endure you posting pics telling us IF I made middles such and such year I would be pro. The bottom line is you have been in probably 10 or more pro qualifiers and are an AMATUER, Dunlap did 1 pro qualifier and is a PRO.

[hans]

Ivers--Why the hating? We have to endure you posting pics telling us IF I made middles such and such year I would be pro. The bottom line is you have been in probably 10 or more pro qualifiers and are an AMATUER, Dunlap did 1 pro qualifier and is a PRO.

Whoa. Michelle is not "hating" and it's not personal - she is someone with a ton of experience in this sport, and she is just calling it as she sees it. Like Elena said, most fbbers would rather hear the truth than to have it sugar coated and then get their ass kicked onstage. Keep posting Michelle!

Hans

[Beenaround]

Much needed rest Tre, How many yrs had she competed before the pro card?????
Once again I'm not hating on her, it's just how the judges want to judge once again.
To this day, the judges are still somewhat going by the 2000 change. Jeanne was FANTASTIC that day, but probably oh whats it called?? too conditioned for their taste.
Bad taste in my mouth? well I didn't think it would of effect me, but the change had.
Lets, see what happens to Iris this yr?? Sorry got off topic a little. lets see if she will pull it off, there is still 3 weeks, I'll probably be eating my comments, she'll probably make at least top 5 :rolleyes:

[Beenaround]

Knight, I posted I was not hating, stating fact!! It all boils down to the judging anyway
Peace out bro!~

[Knight]

Ivers...The only FACT is Dunlap won the heavy's and overall at the 2003 Nationals, the rest is your OPINION!!!

[Knight]

2002 Nationals was Dunlap's, 2003 was Annie.

[bigjoeyc]

not about physique joey.... that would be mean. you cant change genetics... check muscle mayhem. i posted a link.

Amanda

I read it amanda, that answered my question.

[Beenaround]

Whatever "NEWbie" The whole thing is so subjective, so whatever!!!

[Amanda Dunbar]

LOL. Michelle you crack me up!!! "NEWbie". lol

Amanda

[Scott]

All i am saying over here is that in three weeks Colette will be taking Sarah back behind the chicken house for a good old fashioned ass whoopin come 3 1/2 weeks whether its in NYC or not based on pics that have recently been posted Colette will be bringing her A game.

BTW Knight u wanna talk smack to someone lets see your pics!

[bigjoeyc]

Whatever "NEWbie" The whole thing is so subjective, so whatever!!!

haha, what do NEWbie's know anyways, lol :D :rolleyes:

[Knight]

Ivers..Not sure of your level of education but FACT and OPINION are as different as NATIONAL CHAMP and WASHED-UP!!!

No need to reply schmoes this will be my last post.

[Scott]

Good glad to hear its your last post we dont need your Charles Benner Hatorade around here anyway

[eseiple]

I am not a pro...but for 3.5 weeks out....I would think Sara would be harder, but that is just my opinion....as a comparison, this is me 3 weeks out last year from the nats...and I took second...at the amateur level. It doesnt' get easier at the PRO level...But then again this post isn't about me, and don't want it to be thought as such.

PS. I know...the calves need work...LOL

I also added a few other friends at the same point....just as a point of reference.

http://img253.echo.cx/img253/8538/3038td.jpg
http://img253.echo.cx/img253/4743/gina2gv.jpg
http://img253.echo.cx/img253/2910/3weeks112zp.jpg
http://img245.echo.cx/img245/1191/3weeks049dz.jpg

[Amanda Dunbar]

Great pic elena! You look phenomenal. I can't wait to see what you bring to the stage at some point this year! Your physique will be hard to deny this time around...

SSNC. ;) Post more pics E!

Amanda

[Scott]

lookin dayum good E! :)

[HumanFreakShow300]

http://img253.echo.cx/img253/2910/3weeks112zp.jpg

'Nuff Said!


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[Beenaround]

Bam, that' what I'm talking about Elena, Mr Knight there didn't get the jist of what I was referring too, nuff said, he went knight, night, and cried wee wee all the way home . :D :D :D

[HumanFreakShow300]

michelle, you are crazy. That's hilarious. Just too funny.


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[Beenaround]

;) ;) ;)

[Tre]

What was your point to that Tre??

And I know she reads message boards.... lol. She reads all the pertainent ones, always have, always will.... thats just her. I doubt she'll have the balls to post any replies, but for certain she reads what is being said.

Amanda

My point was to reply to the issue raised by Michelle. I've heard it said before and I'm merely stating the fact - Sarah was the best in her class at the 2002 Nationals and that's why she's a pro. If anyone else felt they could've beaten her, then they should've shown up at the contest that day, in shape and ready to do battle.

I wasn't aware that she read any message boards, but have since advised her to disregard them until at least after her show. As for having 'the balls' to post, again, she's been advised to leave the petty chatter alone. She still makes her own decisions, but she's aware that she has nothing to gain in replying to anything stated by someone on a message board.

[Tre]

Much needed rest Tre, How many yrs had she competed before the pro card?????
Once again I'm not hating on her, it's just how the judges want to judge once again.
To this day, the judges are still somewhat going by the 2000 change. Jeanne was FANTASTIC that day, but probably oh whats it called?? too conditioned for their taste.
Bad taste in my mouth? well I didn't think it would of effect me, but the change had.
Lets, see what happens to Iris this yr?? Sorry got off topic a little. lets see if she will pull it off, there is still 3 weeks, I'll probably be eating my comments, she'll probably make at least top 5 :rolleyes:

By 'rest', Michelle, you know exactly what I mean. Too many other young women are out there in a bigtime hurry (and there are some who *were* rushing, but may since have turned it down a notch) to get NOWHERE and they're just blind to the facts. Dear god, please tell me what's so magical about a little plastic trophy? And yet, you've got all these pimps and 'gurus' out there pumping their girlfriends fulla god-knows-what, leaving many of them near death on more than one occasion.

In Sarah's case, she was 22 when she won her pro card. In what universe would you have expected her to step onto the pro stage right away and be able to be competitive? And that's not even the hard question. The tougher questions are the ones we can't even whisper about in public forums.

You should have a bad taste in your mouth about that, because 'reality' is a jacked-up mistress in this business. Most days, I'll admit that it sickens me as well...I just have to block it out of my mind.

By whatever standard you wish to apply, however, Sarah won the 2002 HW class. You want small, symmetric, big, hard, whatever...she was the winner. All the bases were covered.

Yes, Jeannie Paparone was the best pure *bodybuilder* in the show, but who cares? She won the MW, she got her pro card, and she's already been competitive at the next level. The overall pretty much only means something to the person who was awarded it.

Regarding Iris, I'm not really in a position to talk about that.

Sarah has plenty of time and she's looking much better already. She'll make an excellent showing at this contest.

[eseiple]

Tre post the GUESS WHO PIC here....the one from MUSCLE MAYHEM...as that is more like a 3 week out Sara...its a good pic people....

Tre? DId you play a game on us? LOL Were the original pics really for 3.5 weeks out? I mean if so she did make huge changes in a short while ...or were they really further out than that? Either way doesn't matter as the pic you posted on Muscle Mayhem is more in line with where she needs to be right now. I think most would agree.

[Maxt]

Your pics look pretty good Elena. You'll be a pro soon.

[Tre]

Here are a couple of Sarah samples from Friday, the 29th. Yes, the changes are quite dramatic and it looks like Elena is correct - I may have been a little bit off on the date of the original pics. ;)

I saw your pics, too, Elena...looks like you're just a few days from being show-ready yourself and I *know* you'll make a dynamite pro your first time up to the plate...which I expect to be in early 2006. *smile*

[Maxt]

She's got great quads first off, then she has great arms and great deltoids. There is a lot of potential there.

[Amanda Dunbar]

Nobody ever said she didn't have potential... she's got loads of potential... it's focusing that energy and she COULD do very well. It's always been about how much she wants it. When she sets her mind to something, not much is going to stand in her way. This should be an interesting show in NY...

Amanda

[Beenaround]

drug free?????

[Maxt]

Nobody ever said she didn't have potential... she's got loads of potential... it's focusing that energy and she COULD do very well. It's always been about how much she wants it. When she sets her mind to something, not much is going to stand in her way. This should be an interesting show in NY...

Amanda I'd agree and as far as New York goes Amanda, I can't wait...I think you should have bought that black dress you pictured in your Journal because it looked REALLY GOOD on you! :)

[bigjoeyc]

drug free?????

Hugs are better then Drugs.

[Beenaround]

So true Joey, it just looks like such a dramatic change of muscle from the first posted pics, and she said she is doing it drug free. I have to admit how the bodys look changes so much when the layer of fat is stripped off. Her back shot looks so dramatic in change!! Much more impressive

[eseiple]

LOL TRE those pics were from 3 weeks out from last years Nats....

[eseiple]

Nobody ever said she didn't have potential... she's got loads of potential... it's focusing that energy and she COULD do very well. It's always been about how much she wants it. When she sets her mind to something, not much is going to stand in her way. This should be an interesting show in NY...

Amanda

To add to this, no one I think was saying Sara didn't have potential, obviously she does as she turned pro...the arguments on this board were mainly that she didn't look 3.5 weeks out and be able to be ready in time in the original pics posted...which we find out were not accurate dates so this thread was actually pointless.
Had these pics been posted in the first place...half the posts would not have taken place.

In light of this.....Ladies..we all know this but I am going to reiterate...there is no defense in this sport...there is nothing you can do to make someone better or worse...regardless of when the pics of sara were taken if you were someone competing against her, it wouldn't matter as your game plan is not affected nor should be affected by anyones contest prep. Keep focusing on you and being the best you can be. Use this as a lesson to all when getting ready for your next show...don't let the pics you see of others affect your contest prep...just do what you know you need to do to win...
Ok I am done preaching:)

[Beenaround]

Amen!!! :p

[Tre]

And the church said... :)

[trjoca]

I feel like I need to go forward now. Got goosebumps.

[t-bone]

Can't we all just get along?!

With all the negativity from the general public, FBBers should be unitied.

Let's be freinds! :) :) :)

[Tre]

With all the negativity from the general public, FBBers should be united.

People will always be people, Maxt.

[Maxt]

There is only one Maxt and T-Bone is not Maxt. I agree with you about the sisterhood of iron also T-Bone.

[d-pump]

i think she wrote a nast e-mail to amanda once- do a search- im a huge amanda fan, but i like sarah too

[Tre]

i think she wrote a nast e-mail to amanda once- do a search- im a huge amanda fan, but i like sarah too

I don't see why people are suggesting that 'sides' must be chosen. I'm a fan of both women. If there's a personal problem between them, then it's up to them to settle it or not to settle it.

[CalJoe]

When Sarah Dunlap won the HW and overall at the 2002 NPC Jr Nationals, there were a lot of bodybuilding fans who felt that Heather Policky should've won that show. They made very compelling arguments in support of Heather and there was no debating the fact that she (Heather) had made quite an impression on the crowd.

When Sarah won the HW and overall at the 2002 NPC Nationals in Dallas, however, no such arguments (in favor of other competitors) were made...at least not where the bodybuilding public could see them.

While I agree that the decision at the Jr Nationals could've gone either way, there was no doubt at the Dallas Nationals that she was the HW winner. I'm not here to talk about the overall at that show (Jeannie Paparone won the MW...ahem), only the class.

She was the best in the HW class and that's why she won the pro card from that division. The rest of the top-5 heavies were good, but none of them pulled it all together as well as Sarah did that day. After winning, she gave her body a much-needed break.

I fully expect Sarah to be ready for the NY show. Other than her own board at DtV, I don't think Sarah really reads message boards, so she won't get to use all the comments as 'bulletin board material'. It has been rather entertaining (for me) to watch today, though. I can't wait to see what happens next week. ;)
Tre' you know I respect your opinion, but there is NO way Dunlap deserved that heavyweight win in Dallas. She had NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING going on when she posed her back. All she had was nice quads and a nice symmetrical look from the front. Lack of quality in the back and hamstrings is just too much to overcome when it comes to winning a weight class at a National show AND getting a pro card.

[trjoca]

Curious Tre', if there are any updates of her some more of Sarah, or if she is keeping hidden til show time.

[Amanda Dunbar]

Joe... dont kill yourself with this one. Debating it will go nowhere, believe me.

BTW, how are you? In FL or you back in Cali? How's Angie's prep? Tell her hi!

Amanda

[Beenaround]

Oh, Oh, he comes Joe, Joe!!! :D :D

[Tre]

Curious Tre', if there are any updates of her some more of Sarah, or if she is keeping hidden til show time.

At present, I do not have any more recent pictures in my hand. I hope that she has at least been taking photos for her site during the final stages of her prep, because she looked pretty impressive in the last samples that I saw.

[Tre]

Tre' you know I respect your opinion, but there is NO way Dunlap deserved that heavyweight win in Dallas. She had NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING going on when she posed her back. All she had was nice quads and a nice symmetrical look from the front. Lack of quality in the back and hamstrings is just too much to overcome when it comes to winning a weight class at a National show AND getting a pro card.

You know our respect is mutual and that I totally value your physique assessments. You've been in the game a long time and are definitely one of the most knowledgeable people in the industry. But now that we've got your credentials out of the way... ;)

You and I both know that so much of bodybuilding success is luck and timing. If she'd put that same physique onstage in 2000, 2001, 2003, or 2004, we'd mostly be talking about someone who was a solid top-5 placer, but not a national champion. Heather Foster, Beth Roberts, Annie Rivieccio, and Gina Davis (or Cindy Gonzales in the LHW) were all better bodybuilders on the day they won their titles.

I know you're a big Sherry Smith fan - I think many of us are - but the overall presentation just wasn't there that day, despite her superior muscularity. As good as Sherry has been all these years, we didn't see her totally nail it until last year's USAs, where by all rights, 3 pro cards should've been awarded.

The wild card that day in 2002 was Heather Policky. My bet is that if she could've matched her conditioning from the Jr Nationals that same year, she could've beaten Sarah. Heather was no doubt affected by doing the USAs, a show which Sarah skipped in order to focus on Nationals.

I do, however, agree with everyone who has stated that Jeannie Paparone should've been awarded the overall in 2002. In fact, I believe even Sarah herself admitted that at the time.

[CalJoe]

You know our respect is mutual and that I totally value your physique assessments. You've been in the game a long time and are definitely one of the most knowledgeable people in the industry. But now that we've got your credentials out of the way... ;)

You and I both know that so much of bodybuilding success is luck and timing. If she'd put that same physique onstage in 2000, 2001, 2003, or 2004, we'd mostly be talking about someone who was a solid top-5 placer, but not a national champion. Heather Foster, Beth Roberts, Annie Rivieccio, and Gina Davis (or Cindy Gonzales in the LHW) were all better bodybuilders on the day they won their titles.

I know you're a big Sherry Smith fan - I think many of us are - but the overall presentation just wasn't there that day, despite her superior muscularity. As good as Sherry has been all these years, we didn't see her totally nail it until last year's USAs, where by all rights, 3 pro cards should've been awarded.

The wild card that day in 2002 was Heather Policky. My bet is that if she could've matched her conditioning from the Jr Nationals that same year, she could've beaten Sarah. Heather was no doubt affected by doing the USAs, a show which Sarah skipped in order to focus on Nationals.

I do, however, agree with everyone who has stated that Jeannie Paparone should've been awarded the overall in 2002. In fact, I believe even Sarah herself admitted that at the time.
Sorry Tre', again I beg to differ. Not only was Sherry Smith better, and yes I am unashamed in being a Smith fan, but Policky was better too. Sherry's mid-section may have been a little wide at that show, but her overall muscularity and condition, particularly from the back totally blew Dunlap off the stage. If the card was going to be awarded based on symmetry then Policky should have won hands down over Dunlap. You could stand on the biggest soapbox the NPC could find and you would never convince me otherwise. The only bodypart Dunlap had over everyone else in that class on that night was her smile.

[CalJoe]

Joe... dont kill yourself with this one. Debating it will go nowhere, believe me.

BTW, how are you? In FL or you back in Cali? How's Angie's prep? Tell her hi!

Amanda
I know the debate will get nowhere, but it's always fun to engage in playful banter. I am in Cal, and Angie is preparing for the USA. How are things with you? :)

[CalJoe]

Oh, Oh, he comes Joe, Joe!!! :D :D
Yeah,,,I had to come into this forum. Hello Michelle,,,, ;)

[Amanda Dunbar]

Things are great. My prep is going well for the first time!! woohoooo. Can't wait. The USA will be a great show.

Amanda

[Nida]

I want to say hi to Joe too!! HEY JOE!! :)

[CalJoe]

I want to say hi to Joe too!! HEY JOE!! :)
Hi Nida, How are things with you? Are you going to the USA? :)

[Nida]

Hi Nida, How are things with you? Are you going to the USA? :)

Things are blah for me..it seems like nothings going right at the moment but i will be at the USA's for sure!! I need a lil vacation to get away from it all and and then come back home to it...ahh yes life is grand...lol...as for you...since Angie is competing...I will assume that I will see you there. Well party on Joe...

[CalJoe]

Things are blah for me..it seems like nothings going right at the moment but i will be at the USA's for sure!! I need a lil vacation to get away from it all and and then come back home to it...ahh yes life is grand...lol...as for you...since Angie is competing...I will assume that I will see you there. Well party on Joe...
I expect to be at the USA, so it would be nice to say hello to you. I hope things are going well for you.. :)