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cbdetroit

April 20th, 2006, 05:43 PM

I also forgot to mention that also I'm dissapointed in the Lack of Women Bodybuilders in the Lingerie editions of Muscle & Fitness as well as Flex magazines as well.

I'm not hating on the figure gals but Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women need Love too. Don't the current powers that be realize that there's a whole lot of variety of Women Bodybuilders other than the big huge ultra-massive bulky type. Just look at Lenda Murray, Heather Tristany, Sue Price, Michelle's Ralabate & Andrea, Laura Creavalle, Diana Dennis & Kim Chizvesky. All Beautiful, Sensuous, Symmetrical Curves & Sexy at the same time. The need to put FBBs back in their Swimsuit & Lingerie editions big time!!

I know that Maxt, Femalemusclefan, Dalberton, Shadowman, Amazon Lover, Tripper, D-Pump, & Big D could shed some light on this as well. (Again, I'm not hating but) Figure has way too much over exposure for sure!

Tripper

April 20th, 2006, 07:30 PM

I also forgot to mention that also I'm dissapointed in the Lack of Women Bodybuilders in the Lingerie editions of Muscle & Fitness as well as Flex magazines as well.

I'm not hating on the figure gals but Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women need Love too. Don't the current powers that be realize that there's a whole lot of variety of Women Bodybuilders other than the big huge ulta-massive bulky type. Just look at Lenda Murray, Heather Tristany, Sue Price, Michelle's Ralabate & Andrea, Laura Creavalle, Diana Dennis & Kim Chizvesky. All Beautiful, Sensuous, Symmetrical Curves & Sexy at the same time. The need to put FBBs back in their Swimsuit & Lingerie editions big time!!

I know that Maxt, Femalemusclefan, Dalberton, Shadowman, Amazon Lover, Tripper, D-Pump, & Big D could shed some light on this as well. (Again, I'm not hating but) Figure has way too much over exposure for sure!

I agree, no doubt. Swimsuit and lingerie editions used to feature women like Ericca Kern, Sharon Bruneau, Debbie Muggli, Melissa Coates, etc. They were the essence of sensual symmetry and should be the standard for "muscle mags" to feature.

The general

April 20th, 2006, 11:49 PM

I am 100% with you all guys the swimsuit editions are getting bored specially when Timea is featured......she always gets an exposure for very well known reasons....

cbdetroit

April 21st, 2006, 03:23 PM

Yeah and as far as I'm concerned is if the Bodybuilding publications want nothing but figure gals which are more like Beauty Pagent contestants then I'll go ahead and purchase the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition.

But when I puchase a Swimsuit or Lingerie Edition from a Bodybuilding Magazine, then I expect to see some of the Most Beautiful Hardcore Bodybuilders modeling and Looking very Sexy and Sinewy displaying the latest one and two piece swimwear or lingerie (including thongs) because our Heroes has spent a great deal to build and develop their bodies to the peak of perfection and deserve all of the respect that they get. And also fellow posters I also miss seeing the "Power-N-Sizzle" pictorials & centerfolds, "Ask Ms. Olympia" as well as "Flex-N-Femme" within Flex Magazines.

Don't the current "powers that be" get it through their heads that the new current generation of Beautiful Hardcore Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women are just as Beautiful, Sexy and Smoking Hot as their predecessors in the 1990s. I don't know about you folks but I would LOVE to check out Amanda Dunbar, Elena Seiple, Heather Lee, Mindi O'Brien, Kim Klein, Julie Palmer, Christine's Sabo & Moore, Jennifer Abrams, Lisa Aukland, Yaxeni Oriquen, Kim Harris & Nicole Ball in those issues, Women that is just as Symmetrical & Marketable as that of the figure gals. Again I'm not HATING on the figure gals, but Women Bodybuilders (Especially the Hardcore & Drug-Free Kind) & Fitness Women need LOVE too.

The Current Publishers of Muscle & Fitness as well as Flex don't know what they're missing by not showcasing Our Beautiful Heroes beyond Contest Coverage and even that is just about non-existant. So fellow posters, (including the General) feel free to HOLLER!!!! And this is just an opnion from one Female Muscle Lover to another, Peace.

cbdetroit

April 24th, 2006, 11:48 PM

Hey General, I've finally got the chance to check out some of the thread of the same name over at Muscle Mayhem, It's a miracle that I was able to log into that website since I had problems back during "The Charlotte Pro Show" Thread and I wanted to say that from one Female Muscle Lover to another is that the folks shouldn't said anything negative about you because like I said before Women Bodybuilders need LOVE too.

And it's wrong for the current Publishers of FLEX as well as Muscle & Fitness for not utilizing any one of the Female Bodybuilders since first and foremost those are Hardcore Bodybuilding magazines unlike Oxygen or Planet Muscle in which you would see more Fitness & figure Ladies than FBBs Because There's plenty to choose from since the IFBB/NPCs 20% reduction ruling. And today's Women Bodybuilders Are just as Symmetrically Balanced as their predecessors from the Late 1980s through the Mid 1990s. The current publishers of FLEX & Muscle & Fitness as well as over at the Muscle Mayhem forums need to get a reality check Women Bodybuilders have got it going on and deserve more respect than that.

Also there's nothing wrong with Timea Marojova because I met her at the Arnold Fitness Expo and she's one of my favorite Fitness Athletes and she's very cool as well as Attractive in person. Alright Peace.

tighthat

April 25th, 2006, 10:54 AM

Zennie

April 25th, 2006, 10:56 AM

muldertx

April 25th, 2006, 04:16 PM

I think that this is the same issue that features two posters. One is a figure poster the other is a fitness poster. Again, a not so hidden biased.

muldertx

cbdetroit

April 25th, 2006, 05:02 PM

i don't envision the magazines mending their ways regarding fbb. we can fight about how short-sighted it is, but their bread and butter is gay men and dudes who are threatened by women with more substance than a gallon of saline.That's a pretty harsh way of stereotyping their Male Audience. I would think that Since both FLEX as well as Muscle & Fitness first and foremost are supposed to be Bodybuilding magazines period.

Meaning that they're only supposed to appeal to a certain segment of the audience not gays/bi's/lesbians or folks with warped fetishes but for those that are into Health & Fitness as well as to build up Hardcore Muscle for Athletic reasons (Bodybuilding, Fitness, Football, Gymnastics, etc...).

And I don't mind looking and Admiring Beautiful Women who's Fit, Healthy and Feel Good about themselves. I've mention this subject to some FBBs during the FT Webcam and they've expressed the same dissapointment in the current publishers of both magazines because they've spent their times building their physiques to the pinnacle (peak) of perfection and this is the thanks that they get. That right there tighthat is very much a slap in the face for FBBs.

Again I'm not hating on figure but this that division has been overexposed to the max. Plus what's up with having Women in those magazines which are much better suited for Sports Illustrated, Vanity Fair, Elle, Cosmopolitan, Vouge, Maxim, FHM, Victoria Secret etc. if you get my drift. I personally thought that the photos taken by Bill Dobbins & Robert Reiff were in Good taste during the "Power & Sizzle" "Ask Ms. Olympia" "Flex-N-Femme" segments as well as the Swimsuit & Lingerie issues back then.

If you're going to put Fitness & Figure Women in those issues fine, but at least have an open mind that not all FBBs are all that bad, manly and gruesome looking on the account of a few individuals and include Women Bodybuilders, because there are some Attractive ones out there. You'll have to know where to find them.

tighthat

April 25th, 2006, 05:57 PM

the truth is sometimes nebulous and often painful. if the majority of readers cared enough about the lack of representation of fbb's and even fitness and figure ladies above the accepted threshold, they would make their needs known. i know i haven't bought an issue of flex or any of the others in the past decade. and yet they seem to be thriving without my dollar. so, barring a sudden shift in market forces that would inspire those folks to change their tune, they are going to totter merrily along the path of huge males and synthol and soft thong pics and cosmo-type how-to-get-off bs. the folks that buy it want X-TREME!!! and they are not concerned with the absence of information on women that they either a.are not sexually excited by or b.can't admit to admiring. if they were, they would be spending their money elsewhere. there is plenty of info everywhere regarding exercise, technique, supplements, diet, etc., so it can't be just for the HOTTEST NEW TIPS!!! folks buy that garbage because they want what is inside. i happen to want something different.

and cb, i totally respect your dedication to the ladies. i just think that realism is healthy. and if i weren't thrilled by muscular women, i wouldn't be here.

cbdetroit

April 25th, 2006, 06:32 PM

Ok, and thanks Tighthat you've made some interesting points but as for me I would love to check out Autumn Raby, Sophie Duquette, Brenda Raganot, Tonia Williams, Laura Mak, Cynthia Bridges, Ms. Olympia's Juliette Bergmann & Valentina Chepiga, Colette Nelson & Alicia St. Germaine in any Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazine's Swimsuit or Lingerie issue because, right now These are among some of the FBBs just like the others that I've mentioned in the #8th post of this thread that are just as easily very Aesthetically Beautiful & Marketable as that of the figure gals and those models that you would see in SI (Sports Illustrated), Maxim & FHM.

Again don't get me wrong now as a guy I like checking out the Ladies who pose in those spreads so I won't be hypocritical about it. But let's face it here in the United States these days, a lot of the Male population in the real World are going to be checking out as well as hooking up with Women with "meat on their bones" instead of the "rail-thin skinny no shape" waif models from Madison Avenue.

But that doesn't mean that every red-blooded American Male wants to hook up & get busy with a big, fat, flabby no-shape chunky obese Broads as well (with the exception of your "Chubby Chasers"). I'm one of those firm believers in going for what you like and "whatever floats you boat". Hopefully Tighthat that someday in the future that the magazine publishers, sponsors, contest promoters & federation officials will give the Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women their long overdue respect that they deserve.

And just because you have some guys out there that like to check out FBBs in the Bodybuilding & Fitness magazines doesn't mean that they're weird but they're dedicated fans nevertheless, and if they do have any sick or weird fetishes then they need to have their heads examined and get a life. All I have say is that Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women are "Gifts From God". And I don't want to see Female Bodybuilding die but to experience a "New Rennissance or Rebirth" of a New Generation of Female Muscle to the proportions that is was back in the 1980s through the Mid-1990s (from Rachel McLish to the Early Kim Chizvesky Olympia era).

I'm ready for some positive change are you?

tighthat

April 25th, 2006, 06:42 PM

cb. i fully agree with you. i think muscular women are the greatest things on planet earth. i would like to be surrounded by them everywhere i go. but unfortunately, the closest you are going to get to that is an fbb story board. so until the day when everyone is working out, we are going to have to come to terms with the fact that many people, including those that determine the content of their product, view fit women as a threat to their masculinity, or a threat to their femininity, or a threat to their profit margin. i want to see this change. i want people to help each other and get along. i want no war, and contented happiness for all. i just think that the lessons of history indicate that my dreams are unlikely to be realized.

tighthat

April 25th, 2006, 06:46 PM

and yes, i am ready for positive changes. i am thrilled that the ranks of women who exercise is constantly growing. i just believe that one of the things that makes fbb so great is that it is a rebuttal of what narrow society tells a woman she should be.

cbdetroit

April 25th, 2006, 07:35 PM

Then Tighthat, I think that Publishers of Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazines should concentrate on that segement of the population that's interest in seeing both Hardcore Men's & Women's Bodybuilding & Fitness (including contest coverage, excercise/workout & diet tips as well as other special interests); because the sport of Bodybuilding itself is pretty much not a mainstream sport but a cult sport.

I've read in an article in Musclemag International from a retired FBB is that she misses When the Weider's ran Muscle & Fitness and FLEX magazines because: #1 Most of your Male Athletes were more Aesthetic and Attainable and #2 Women Bodybuilders Looked Aesthetically Beautifully Sexy, more Marketable and was Better Promoted in the Magazines & on TV as well.

In the mid-1990s when the IFBB/NPC incorporating and sanctioning Fitness contests, some folks thought that it would spell doom for FBB but it hasn't. Instead both the Women's Bodybuilding & Fitness Divisions co-exsisted together peacefully without either one or the other singling each other out. But as soon as that same federation began incorporating the figure division (in 2001 for the Amateurs, in 2003 for the Pros)than all hell broke loose.

When I attend the Bodybuilding Contests here in the Detroit/Southeastern Michigan area I'm very sadden & dissapointed in the lower levels of FBBs, Fitness is just about non-existant & the Surge of figure contestants that it's a damn shame. The same thing goes on at the National as well as the pro level. When I checked out some of the threads on some of the other boards I'll have to agree with them that figure is primarly a Beauty contest and really don't need to be on the same venue with Male & Female Bodybuilding & Fitness Contests. I couldn't believe when I heard last year that the current "powers that be" who run the IFBB wanted to put the Ms. Olympia contest in a F---KING Expo away from the Mr., Fitness & Figure Olympias and replace that with a Model Search on the Mainstage, how sacreligous is that?!

If it was up to me I would've put both figure & the Model Search in my opinion since the two go hand in hand. And with the exception of Ms. Olympia Yaxeni Oriquen & Fitness Olympia Jenny Hendershott, most of Male & Female Athletes who competed at the Olympia Weekend was too big, massive & bulky and I'm glad when I attended the Arnold Fitness Weekend, the Male & Female Athletes have much more Attainable & Symmetrical physiques. Just like Race Relations in the US, Women's Bodybuilding has a long ways to go before it would recieve mainstream social acceptance.

And the current folks who are running Weider Publications do not have Joe's or Ben's vision and need to realize that they're losing plenty of readers just because they're trying to make that magazine mainstream like "People" or "The National Enquirer" which it will not work. I'm like this, if you're going to have Bikini Models or figure gals in a swimsuit or lingerie issues then they need to put photos of them in magazines such as "Oxygen", "Planet Muscle" "Fredricks of Hollywood" & "Maxim". And leave the photos & centerfolds of Beautiful Women Bodybuilders (including Hardcore & Drug-Free) & Fitness Women over at "Muscle & Fitness", "FLEX", "Ironman" (not the Marvel Comic Book), "MuscleMag International", "Muscular Development", "Women's Physique World" and "Muscle Elegance" Magazines because as fans of Female Muscle, we deserve so much better. Anybody feel free to HOLLER!!!! Inquiring minds would like to know, Peace.

The general

April 26th, 2006, 02:26 AM

I think the swimsuit edition is just a COMPLETE FAILURE... I am so dissapointed

cbdetroit

April 26th, 2006, 10:54 AM

Hey General It's just like I said before, If Muscle & Fitness and FLEX wants to showcase Fitness Women as well as figure gals in their Swimsuit & Lingerie issues then fine. But don't do it at the expense of the Women Bodybuilders because their are plenty of Women Bodybuilders that are just as Beautiful and Sexy as that of the figure contestants.

Think about it wouldn't you want to check out Johanna Dejager, Betty Pariso, Nicole Berg, Sheila Bleck, Heather Policky, Sherry Smith, Shannon Young, Jeannie Paparone, Jenny Hendershott, Tanji Johnson, Stacy Simmons, Tracy Greenwood, Vicki Nixon, Melissa Dettwiller, Jennifer McVicar, Britt Miller & Cindy Phillps. Women that looked like they spent some time in the gym in a Hardcore Bodybuilding's Swimsuit or Lingerie Issue as opposed to figure or skinny waif models which are much better suited for Oxygen, Vouge, Shape & Victoria Secret. Female Muscle Fans deserve much better than this wouldn't you agree?

I know if Maxt or Shadowman were here they'll have something to say about this drama.

herculizaah

April 26th, 2006, 10:58 AM

Hey I am a bonafide female pro bodybuilder (?), and "Planet Muscle" has a feature article on me in their current edition...and you list that mag with Fredericks of Hollywood and Maxim?! Hmmm....

cbdetroit

April 26th, 2006, 11:18 AM

Hey I am a bonafide female pro bodybuilder (?), and "Planet Muscle" has a feature article on me in their current edition...and you list that mag with Fredericks of Hollywood and Maxim?! Hmmm....Hey Herculizaah (Liza Lawrence) I'm Glad that you've gotten some positive recognition becuase you've paid your dues as well as build your body to the pinnacle (peak) of perfection but what I was stating in my posts is that the reason why I put Planet Muscle with Fredricks of Hollywood & Maxim is because (with the exception of you), the Publishers at that Magazine along with FLEX/Muscle & Fitness will only showcase mostly Women that you would see on a runway at a fashion show instead of FBBs.

Again like I stated before I'm not HATING on the figure gals, They're Attractive and Sexy and if you're going to showcase them along with the Fitness Women in a Hardcore Bodybuilding Swimsuit/Lingerie issue then the publishers need to "Broaden Their Horizons", have an open mind and be fair and Give Beautiful Women like yourself and Other Beautiful Women Bodybuilders from various Bodybuilding federations a fair chance and showcase them in the magazines as well.

Again Most Bodybuilding Magazines are for a specific target audience not The Mainstream & those indivduals with sick or weird fetishes as Tighthat has earlier described. Again Liza I'm very Happy that you've gotten some positive recognition for the Beautiful physique that you built because you deserve it rightfully so. But what do you think? Inquiring minds would like to know.

tighthat

April 26th, 2006, 03:25 PM

i have said nothing about sick or weird fetishes at any point.

cbdetroit

April 26th, 2006, 03:55 PM

Ok Tighthat, I'm sorry if I misquoted your words. But like I've said before this is a problem big time And Women Bodybuilders deserve some respect because the hard work, sacrifice, dedication, time and comittment it takes to develop their bodies, that's all I'm saying.

If you're going to put the figure gals in the Hardcore Bodybuilding magazines "Swimsuit & Lingerie issues along with the fitness gals then include Women Bodybuilders as well. I've already described some good choices of Hardcore Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women who built their bodies without sacrificing their Femininty. Heck Tighthat as a fellow fan of Female Muscle, you wouldn't dispute that anyone of those Ladies would be a good addition to the pages of those special issues, wouldn't you agree?

Inquiring minds would like to know, Peace.

tighthat

April 26th, 2006, 06:13 PM

as bodybuilders, women certainly deserve equal coverage. and since i find them more appealing, i would rather see them have disproportionally more coverage. and if the powers that be want to indulge my tastes, then they will do so, and at that point they might see my business. but until the magazines stop pretending the women don't exist or acknowledge them only to deride them and wring their hands over what constitutes "feminine" and wax eloquent about the golden days of yore, i will continue to ignore them. the day they put one of your "freaky shredded" ladies on the cover of flex is the day i will pick it up again. but i don't think we need a return to the good ol' days. i remember them all too well. you may recall a bunch of debate over whether bev francis or ellen von maris was "feminine". paula bircumshaw was metaphorically slapped in the face because of bogus arbitrary judging standards, and then given a TWO YEAR suspension for her admittedly disruptive antics. the problem is much bigger and more pervasive than women getting equal print space. women should be encouraged to build themselves the way they see fit, and not only should we not dictate what they should be but they should not dictate to each other what is acceptable. if this sport is truely about a camraderie of individualism, as it seems to be, then we should be content with what we can accomplish, and wish those people well who wish us ill. those who have already written off fbb are not likely to be swayed by a few hoarse voices of outrage.

cb, i always agree with your choices. if we were running the show, we could make a heck of a SPECIAL LINGERIE ISSUE! HOT!.

tighthat

April 26th, 2006, 06:50 PM

and that should have been "disproportionately". i apologize.

cbdetroit

April 26th, 2006, 06:54 PM

I hear you Tighthat, and again you've brought up a Good point. If the current "powers that be" that's currently running Weider Publications continue on the path that they're going, the folks like yourself, The General, Sphinx, etc. will most definitely loose interest and quit buying those magazines and wind-up jumping to the competition.

I know that fellow Genex poster Maxt still likes to purchase those Magazines but again I'm driving the point home and maybe Zennie & Herculizaah may agree with me is that if you're a Publisher of Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazines (and I'm not talking, Shape, Oxygen, SI or Maxim),and you're planning on releasing either a Swimsuit or Lingerie issue, then you want to showcase Women that looked like they've taken the time to build their bodies at the gym. In other words let it be a even-level playing field:

50% Women Bodybuilders (including Hardcore & the Drug-Free kind)
50% Fitness Women
50% Figure Women

And with this successful formula I'm talking some Good serious eye candy without one group out-canceling each other.

By doing this then the publishers of Bodybuilding Magazines would've made everybody happy and they'll make even more money because think of this Tighthat, The General and everyone else; since the implosion of Feminine Muscle sites across the web (and I'm not talking Female Domination, Bondage or any sick/weird fetishes), I've seen more supporters out there than I have of haters of FBBs.

Think about it, if it wasn't for Female Bodybuilding you wouldn't have Fitness or Figure. And as a matter of fact it cracks me up when I hear some Women say that they don't like that look or that's too masculine but they don't have a problem with having "nice Abs", "a firm Butt", "shapely shoulders", "sexy legs", "a slim-sexy waistline'" "and a significant tone of muscle on their arms" so go figure.

And Tighthat, thanks for the vote of confidence good buddy. And I agree with you also that if you & I were publishers of Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazines I would have no problem showcasing Lots & lots of Hardcore Female Muscle in both of the Swimsuit and Lingerie issues of the magazines. Hell, we could even come out with videotapes based on those issues, just like "Ironman", "Musclemag International", "WPW/Ray Martin", "Muscle Elegance" and "FT Videos" (I had to give Gene & James their Props and Respect) for sure. I'm sure that our fellow posters would've Love that. Hmmmmm. Anyone who got anymore thoughts, HOLLER!!!! Peace.

cbdetroit

April 26th, 2006, 07:27 PM

And Tighthat, If that formula that I specify in the last thread didn't work as far as the coverage of Female Muscle in either a Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazine such as FLEX or Muscle & Fitness's Swimsuit or Lingerie issues then maybe:

50% Women Bodybuilders
25% Fitness Women
25% Figuure Women

or

75% Women Bodybuilders
35% Fitness & Figure Women

or

30% Women Bodybuilders
30% Fitness Women
30% Figure Women

Like I said before If you gonna showcase the Fitness Women & figure gals then you're going to have to showcase Women Bodybuilders as well. Go Figure.

But let me know what do you think or anyone else would think? Inquiring minds would like to know, Peace.

tighthat

April 26th, 2006, 08:14 PM

i want 100% fit women. and so i spend my money here. any woman with any visible muscle tone is great. i generally prefer bodybuilders, but it is not as if i dislike fitness or figure. they all have my utmost admiration.

tighthat

April 26th, 2006, 08:18 PM

and let me say that these are competitive distinctions and nothing else. anyone who picks up a weight is body building.

cbdetroit

April 26th, 2006, 08:34 PM

Oh don't get me wrong Tighthat My LOVE first and foremost is towards the Women Bodybuilders (including the Hardcore & Drug-Free kind) 100%, then comes the Fitness Women (and I'm especially talking the Kim Klein, Julie Palmer, Tanji Johnson, Mindi O'Brien, Debbie Kruck, Jenny Worth, Jenny Hendershott, Cynthia Bridges, Laura Mak variety) if you get my drift. 100% "Freaky Shredded Vascular Ripped" all the way.

Give me a Woman that looked like she came out the gym instead of those skinny rail-thin waif models or those big, fat, chunky, flabby, out of shape no excercising obese broads anyday. No Chubby Chasers here at the FT/Genex Forums. And most definitely not the Goths as well.

Gotta Love Feminine Muscle because Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women are "Gifts From God".

tighthat

April 26th, 2006, 08:46 PM

amen. as you have specified, so let it be...

tighthat

April 26th, 2006, 08:53 PM

and inside all "of those skinny rail-thin waif models or those big, fat, chunky, flabby, out of shape no excercising obese broads" is a human with limitless potential. i know what you mean, but we are all success stories waiting to happen.

cbdetroit

April 26th, 2006, 08:53 PM

And if anyone who works for anyone of the Bodybuilding publications ever reads this then they need to do themselves a favor and start giving Women's Bodybuilding the respect that it deserves. And don't put them on the back burner at the expense of the figure gals. Like I said before let it be a level playing field and include FBBs into your Swimsuit and Lingerie issues, you won't regret it.

Maybe this would be a Great idea one day for Gene and James to do as a special project in the future (if time permitting of course). I'm sure that they wouldn't have a problem with that and I have no problem for spending $5.00 for the magazine and $10.00 for the complimentary videotape/DVD.

But what do you and the other posters think of this proposal a Special Swimsuit/Lingerie issue with the majority of the models to be the top ranked Amateur and Pro Women Bodybuilders in Vascular Contest Shape, if you think that (HYPOTHETICALLY) Gene & James (hooking up the photography & Videoshoots) & (Hans could hook up the articles) come out with a Magazine & Complimentary Videotape/DVD for the posters over here at the Genex & FT Webcam Forums that would be cool wouldn't you think? If anyone agrees with me on this proposal then you know what to do, HOLLER!!!!

Because & I'm sure that Tighthat will agree with the "Motor City" fan on this one that Women Bodybuilders Rules and they need LOVE too. Peace.

tighthat

April 26th, 2006, 09:04 PM

great idea. i am behind it 100%. consider this hollering.

cbdetroit

April 26th, 2006, 09:06 PM

Oh yeah and I'm talking specifically the FBBs with 100% Symmetrical Feminine Proportion not Huge Ultra-Bulky Massive FBBs because Aesthetic Symmetry & Detail Proportion (finer lines, the right amount of cuts & definition) and as Amanda Dunbar would say: "THE LEAST AMOUNT OF FLAWS".

The Feminine Female Bodybuilders from the old school, the current generation and the new school (next generation) should be featured. So Gene, James, Hans, Maxt, Femalemusclefan, Amazon Lover, The General and all FBBs & Fitness Women what do you think?

Inquiring minds would like to know, Peace.

LarryN

April 26th, 2006, 11:05 PM

Someday, I hope to submit photos of Desiree Ellis to Musclemag. She is a terrific model and a great lady. I plan on shooting Autumn for Musclemag too! I also know that models like Amanda, Mindi and Melissa can get in to those magazines as well!

However, if a model wants to get in to magazines they must go out and meet those photographers on their home turf. Generally speacking photographers who shoot for magazines have access to great locations where they live. However, when a photographer travels, they no longer have access to those locations.

Larry

cbdetroit

April 26th, 2006, 11:53 PM

tjenks

April 27th, 2006, 05:16 AM

CB - I got you PM and came over to read the thread. All I can say is ditto to your comments. I was reading your posts thinking, did I write this? Anyway, to put a little more to my post, I have to agree that I love all women with muscle to any degree that they are dedicated enough to train. However that being said what truley grts my blood in a boil is the hardcore FBB where you can become mesmarized by watching every muscle move when they make a simple movement with their body. It doesn't have to be any kind of lifting or anything jsut a turn of the wrist or raising up on their toes to reach something off a shelf. With regards to a Swimsuit/Lingerie issue of one of the BB mags I believe they are missing the boat. There are plenty of mags that have runway models and/or fit models I too want to see some of our favorite FBB models in those outfits as well.

My 2c worth.

Tjenks

cbdetroit

April 27th, 2006, 09:25 AM

Thanks Tjenks, good buddy!!!! I'm glad that Tighthat and myself aren't the only ones who want Beautiful Hardcore FBBs to be showcased Heavily in Muscle & Fitness/FLEX magazine's Swimsuit & Lingerie issues more than the figure gals because that's nothing but choking up and following every other sports magazine containing Women that are frail and doesn't look like they've ever hit the weights.

Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazines in general should have 100% Women Bodybuilders in those issues before any figure and other models. Like I said before they served the purpose in Magazines like "Shape", "Sports Illustrated (SI)", "Oxygen", "Maxim", "Planet Muscle", "Fredricks of Hollywood", "Victoria's Secret", FHM, and heck even "American Curves" for that matter. And folks (including The General) I also have somemore dissapointing news, FLEX is not the only magazine that has shunned Women Bodybuilders but also Muscular Development (MD) as well.

I remember back in the early to mid 1990s that MD used to showcase lots of Women Bodybuilders in their Magazines including their Swimsuit issues as well and then they stopped showcasing the ladies by trying to emulate Natural Bodybuilding & Fitness by showcasing Men's contests from Natural/Drug-Free Bodybuilding organizations for a while but eventually returning back to showcasing the IFBB/NPC events but only strictly the Mens competitons only. And when they do showcase the Women again, they've came up with the "D-cup" girls which are very much bikini models, straight out of "Venus Swimwear Catalog" and figure gals but no Hardcore Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women which sucks Major Big Time.

And just like the Publishers of Muscle & Fitness/FLEX Magazines, the Publishers are cheating themselves by not allowing good quality Amateur and Pro Women Bodybuilders (including the Hardcore & Drug-Free kind) in the pages of their magazines. For those of fans of Female Muscle and believe it or not there are Male Bodybuilders, Powerlifters, Wrestlers, Football Players, Personal Trainers, even nowadays it wouldn't suprise me some Women (including FBBs) besides you Average Joes out there that are attracted to, dating and romantically involved with or Married to Female Bodybuilders. I know one thing is that I'm sick and tired of FBBs being dissed by Bodybuilding Magazines.

If anyone remembers a couple of years ago When Playboy Magazine had the WWE's "Chyna" for 2 issues, I've heard that it was among of their top selling issues and remember folks this is an Adult Men's Magazine not a Bodybuilding Magazine. Now I applaud Playboy for having the guts to realize that Beauty comes in different forms and the Bodybuilding Magazines need to follow suit as well. Women Bodybuilding belong in Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazines more than figure period.

If they don't start righting these wrongs, then it's just like Tjenks has said it so elequently: "They missed the boat". I've said my part but anyone feel free to HOLLER!!!!

femalemusclefan

April 27th, 2006, 12:56 PM

But what do you and the other posters think of this proposal a Special Swimsuit/Lingerie issue with the majority of the models to be the top ranked Amateur and Pro Women Bodybuilders in Vascular Contest Shape, if you think that (HYPOTHETICALLY) Gene & James (hooking up the photography & Videoshoots) & (Hans could hook up the articles) come out with a Magazine & Complimentary Videotape/DVD for the posters over here at the Genex & FT Webcam Forums that would be cool wouldn't you think? If anyone agrees with me on this proposal then you know what to do, HOLLER!!!!

This sounds like an exceptionally good idea!
Who wouldn't want to see Debi Laszewski or Mimi Jabalee posing and flexing in lingerie! The thought of Debi hitting a leg pose in stockings and suspenders is getting my blood rushing! :)

Are we also including Fitness competitors in this?
I hope so, as todays Fitness girls are as muscular and ripped, if not more so, than lightweight bodybuilders from a few years ago.

cbdetroit

April 27th, 2006, 01:45 PM

Femalemusclefan, I'll tell you it's just a proposal but if it was up to me for this Swimsuit/Lingerie issue this is how it would be broken down

50% Women Bodybuilders (including the Hardcore and Drug-Free kind)
50% Fitness Women

or

80% Women Bodybuilders
40% Fitness Women

or

100% Women Bodybuilders
40% Fitness Women

And I'm talking specifically the Symmetrically Proportionate Women Bodybuilders not Huge Bulky Ultra-Massive No Definition FBBs. Just check out posts #8, #15, #20 that will give you some examples of what I'm talking about. And I'll also add Gina Davis, Beth Roberts, Gerri Deach, Carla Salotti, Stephanie Wolsford, Carri Ledford, Helle Neilsen, Heidi Fletcher, Tracey Greenwood, Courtney Shiflett, Dena Westerfield, Stacy Simmons, Teri Mooney, Marja Lehtonen, Carol Semple, Amy Schimd to the list as well. So Gene & James, what do you think? A swimsuit & Lingerie issue either in print or videotape/DVD and the prices for both the Genex & FT Webcam Forums would be like this:

$5.00 for the Magazine

$10.00 for the Videotape/DVD

I know that I would have no problem paying for either items that way you could stick it to the Magazines that keep on dissing Women Bodybuilders for figure. I'm sure that there's posters on here that would have no problem with that so again Gene, James, Hans, Maxt, Physique-Art Mike or any Beautiful FBBs & Fitness Women feel free to speak your mind and HOLLER!!!!

Tripper

April 27th, 2006, 07:52 PM

IFBB pro Monica Brant is in there but she's in a BSN health supplement ad. Other than that the Swimsuit issue has attractive Fitness & Figure Women Whom I've met at the Arnold Fitness Expo, but I'm dissapointed that there's no Women Bodybuilders present in the Swimsuit Issue.

I miss the old Muscle & Fitness and Flex issues from back in the 1990s when you've had more Beautiful FBBs present in their Swimsuit issues back in the day. They could've use some in this current issue. The need to start to appeal to the Fans of muscular Women instead of the mainstream.

Okay cb, sorry it took so long to do this, but I ran across an old Flex swimsuit edition stashed in a box deep within my closet. It is from 1997, the second one they did. It featured about 50% bodybuilders and 50% fitness / models. I scanned all the pics of the FBB's so presented for your approval.......

Tripper

April 27th, 2006, 08:00 PM

Errica Kern was one of the most incredibly sexy FBB's of her time. This issue really featured her and included a poster size foldout of her. And talk about fuel for some wild fantasies!!

Tripper

April 27th, 2006, 08:09 PM

Cory Everson, Lenda Murray, Nikki Fuller, Suzan Kaminga, Melissa Coates. They had the best of the best in the early issues. And Natalia Murnikoviene!! Holy mother of everything good in this world!! Whatever happened to her?? She was smokin hot. That swimsuit she has on in the last picture didn't catch fire until she put it on. That is also a poster sized picture. Man, do I ever miss the old days!! This year's edition should have featured Amanda Dunbar, Yaxeni Oriquen, Iris Kyle, Christine Roth, etc. etc. etc.

Tripper

April 27th, 2006, 08:15 PM

This is one of my favorite pictures of all time!! Karen Hulse rocked. FBB, fitness, figure, leper, chews with her mouth open I DON'T CARE. I see that walking along and I'm there. She's looking back in the picture to see if I'm still following her.....and I am!!!

Tripper

April 27th, 2006, 08:24 PM

I also found the 1998 Flex swumsuit edition in that dusty old box and there was not a single FBB in the whole issue!! The only thing close was Sharon Bruneau after she had lost all her muscle in an attempt to go mainstream. I like women like Carol Semple, Monica Brant, Milamar Flores, Amy Fadhli, Ocean Bloom, etc. What red blooded American man wouldn't. But to echo the point made throughout this thread, the muscle magazines should feature FBB's in their swimsuit and lingerie issues. I think that is what people who buy those magazines want to see. And if not, that is what I want to see!!

cbdetroit

April 27th, 2006, 09:24 PM

HELLL YEEEAAAAHHHHH!!!!!! THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!!! Tripper, you're the Man with the Plan!!!!!!

Gene, James, Hans, LarryN, Physique-Art Mike, Maxt, Femalemusclefan, Dalberton, BigD, The General, Sphinx, Zennie, Herculizaah, Amazon Lover, Tighthat and all FBBs/Fitness Women are you feeling the "Motor City" fan?

Yes thanks Tripper for proving me right that there are just as plenty of Beautiful Sexy Attainable Hardcore Women Bodybuilders out there as there are figure gals and if given the opportunity as well as the right promotion then hey, you would have a successful Swimsuit or Lingerie issue. And Tripper, I'm LOVING everyone of those Ladies (and I especially miss Suzan Kaminga, Cory Everson, Karen Hulce & Nikki Fuller) Erica Kern, Lenda Murray, Melissa Coates & Natalia Murnikioviene is looking Fabulous big time.

Also you noticed that the majority of the Ladies in that issue was more symmetrical instead of the big massive ultra-bulky heavy-duty FBBs that some of our posters have the hots for. When I purchase a Bodybuilding Magazine's Swimsuit or Lingerie issue I want to see lots & lots of FBBs modeling the latest instead of Figure or rail-thin models that don't belong in those magazines.

Again I don't want my words twisted, I'm not HATING on Figure, but Women Bodybuilders deserve some respect for time spent on developing their bodies period. I want to see Women Bodybuilders beyond contest coverage in the Bodybuilding Magazines. And Tripper I agree with you that it's a shame that FLEX hit rock bottom the following year by not showcasing our Heroes. Sorry Femalemusclefan if it was up to me their would be a 100% majority of Women Bodybuilders in a Bodybuilding Magazine's Swimsuit or Lingerie editions.

Now party people think, just suppose if FLEX, Muscle & Fitness as well as Muscular Development were to have an open mind and start showcasing anyone of the Ladies that I've mentioned in posts #8, #15, #20 and #42 are very Beautiful, Sexy & Attainable? Inquiring Minds would like to know. And thanks again Tripper good buddy, your post was definitely worth the wait, Peace.

cbdetroit

April 27th, 2006, 09:35 PM

And Tripper, if that issue of FLEX don't convince any of the posters from these or other Forums that Women Bodybuilders are automatically worthy of being shown in FLEX's, Muscular Development's (MD) or Muscle & Fitness's Swimsuit or Lingerie issues then they need to get their head examined and quit having too much "Figure on the Brains" period.

Women Bodybuilders (including the Hardcore & Drug-Free kind) rules big time period!!!!

Tripper

April 27th, 2006, 09:42 PM

Echo

April 28th, 2006, 12:57 AM

My Dear Forum Friends:

As you have all correctly pointed out, female bodybuilders are no longer featured in popular bodybuilding magazines today. I, just like you, would like to see our female athletes return to their rightful place in the pages of these magazines. This blatant ommision and disregard for our athletes has gone on far too long.

Some of you, like "superfan" CBDetroit, have placed the blame squarely at the feet of the magazines and their editors. My friends, that is not where the problem exists. In actuality, female bodybuilders could return to the pages of these magazines as soon as the next production cycle. Yes, that's right.

So what's the problem, you ask? The problem is that the corporate governance of the NPC/IFBB, the organization that accepts membership and Pro-card fees from female bodybuilders, does not want to promote female bodybuilders for commercial endorsement opportunities, nor do they, in any way, encourage the bodybuilding magazines to feature these athletes. This could all change in a heartbeat if one man in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania picked up the phone and made some telephone calls on behalf of these more than deserving athletes. Sadly, he is unwilling to do this.

Consider these facts: The man in Pittsburgh, who now controls most of organized bodybuilding in the USA, has a son who operates a well known "talent agency," as well as some subsidiary companies whose sole purpose is to represent female NPC/IFBB athletes in order to negotiate and obtain promotional contracts on their behalf, to photograph them, to build websites for them, to plan contest and other event appearances for them, and to help get these athletes feature articles and photographs in bodybuilding magazines. Sounds good, doesn't it? There is just one problem, female bodybuilders are not allowed entry. Only fitness and figure athletes can become clients.

Need I say more, or have you already "figured" things out?

tighthat

April 28th, 2006, 01:39 AM

ain't gonna happen. at least not as far as my crystal ball can see. self-reliance and entrepreneurship are the words of the day.

femalemusclefan

April 28th, 2006, 09:06 AM

Errica Kern was one of the most incredibly sexy FBB's of her time. This issue really featured her and included a poster size foldout of her. And talk about fuel for some wild fantasies!!

Very sexy pictures of Ericca! I can see why they got you hot under the collar, Tripper! :)

On a side note, what happened to Ericca? Does she still compete?

CoryC

April 28th, 2006, 10:13 AM

I'd just like to point out in defense of us "figure posters" over at Mayhem that the issue we have with Mr. General is not his issue, its the way he's dealing with the issue. Calling the ladies that are featured in the issue "non-athletic" or "****" is hardly the way to describe competitors like Val or even Timea who, despite everyone's protestations to the contrary, HAS paid her dues on the competative stage.

Would we all like to see more FBB's get magazine run? You bet. Despite the fact that I'm a self-avowed "figure poster" and my wife is a figure competitor, we BOTH still like FBB as a competition. My wife actually prefers the FBB look, and is contemplating competing in an NPC show as a lightweight, but (and let's face it) there are choices that have to be made to compete in the NPC by each and every competitor. So we chose figure. That hardly makes my wife "scrawny" or "big boobed". Nor does it make me a "FBB hater". If you read deep into the thread you can see that Harry really got the attention of Chris at FLEX and his suggestions have him at least willing to take the idea up the ladder. Will he be successful? I doubt it, but at least the ideas will be out in the open.

All that being said I really believe that the future of FBB lies in the auspices of the Internet, and sites such as this one. These sites can more cheaply cater to the niche audience that FBB is sure to attract.

Of course, you may not have read this but I DO believe that FLEX could get a FBB in the pages of their magazine pretty easily, all they have to do is pick a physique type that they want to promote (say Amanda Dunbar as an example) and forward that as the 'ideal direction' for the industry (sport, whatever). If they were to do that then THEY could drive the public perception and future direction of the sport, just as they did during the Mass age of the men's bb'ing (until the public revolted).

There is a time, a place and a way to voice every opinion. Calling one group of competitors "worthless" and "****" is hardly the way to do it. Are their figure competitors who look like they've never seen the inside of a gym? You bet, but there are also several who work out WITH bodybuilders, powerlifters, etc. Work just as hard, and spend just as much time in the gym.

If you don't believe me, meet me at one of the show's I'm at and I'll introduce you to one.

Here's to increase publicity for ALL the women.

Cory

Echo

April 28th, 2006, 11:59 AM

Of course, you may not have read this but I DO believe that FLEX could get a FBB in the pages of their magazine pretty easily, .......
Cory

CoryC:

I am gratified to see that you agree with me on the above captioned point. The other concerns that you expressed in your post are certainly understandable, but you are allowing yourself to get drawn into an unproductive argument with some of the previous posters who have misdirected their frustrations toward the figure competitors instead of the NPC/IFBB corporate governance, whose policies are entirely responsible for the inequities seen with respect to the female bodybuilders.

CoryC

April 28th, 2006, 03:15 PM

CoryC:

I am gratified to see that you agree with me on the above captioned point. The other concerns that you expressed in your post are certainly understandable, but you are allowing yourself to get drawn into an unproductive argument with some of the previous posters who have misdirected their frustrations toward the figure competitors instead of the NPC/IFBB corporate governance, whose policies are entirely responsible for the inequities seen with respect to the female bodybuilders.

Agreed, my post was in response to that argument. It's an argument that I am not in agreeance with. I'm on your side that its the NPC/IFBB which has made the publicity move away from FBB. They are also the ones with the most power to 'fix' the issue.

Except for the athletes themselves, which is where I believe the "true" power to fix the situation lies.

tighthat

April 28th, 2006, 04:13 PM

excellent point. figure has the most appeal for most women, as it is the most accessible look. it offers a chance for women to begin competing without many years of work, and in lots of cases is just a precursor to future bodybuilding competition. and i think that anything that gets women in the gym is great. i have heard women from fitness, figure and bodybuilding complain about "unfeminine" women. i have heard wayne demilia and both weiders and other assorted male bigwig blowhards talk about "unfeminine" women. this is a boutique sport, and the current regime shuns it like it is embarassing. it is totally unfair to gripe about and point fingers at the explosion of figure as "killing" fbb. once the ball got rolling with women starting to excercise, the die was cast. they cannot kill women's bodybuilding. women will work out regardless of what the magazines and organizations push. all they can do is lose support to the point that some new entity can replace the ifbb. or else they mend their ways. and i can't believe they will do that.

cbdetroit

April 28th, 2006, 08:43 PM

First and formost, Again, no one is HATING or ATTACKING the Women who compete in figure, but the bottom line is that for those folks who didn't take the time to read what Tighthat and I was debating about need to go over and read the First two pages of this thread from the very beginning.

And I'll also agree again that it was wrong to slam any of the Women in figure but again as a Long time fan of Women's Bodybuilding, not all FBBs are the butch dyke mutant freaks of nature that the Publishers, Promotors, Sponsors and Haters make out to be but they are VERY Aesthetically Beautiful, Sexy, Attractive and Marketable as the figure gals. REMEMBER that Female Bodybuilders come in different shapes and sizes.

And to the all of the "Figure Posters" from Muscle Mayhem who also frequents these boards, I too have a seen figure competitors up close who look like they would make Beautiful Lightweight to Light-Heavyweight (BUT NOT HEAVYWEIGHT) Bodybuilders period in a more Cory/Lenda kinda way. But again I'm going to keep on remphasizing that if you're the publisher of a Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazine and you're going to publish a Swimsuit or Lingerie issue than the first thing that you want to see is a whole lot of The Best Beautiful Women Bodybuilders modeling the latest 1 and 2-piece swimwear as well as the latest styles of lingerie period.

I just feel that Women Bodybuilders deserve sweet justice. And I'm proud to be a Superfan of Women's Bodybuilding until I exist no more. And if you need anymore proof that Women Bodybuilders deserve to be showcased prominently in Bodybuilding Magazines then go and check out Tripper's posts #43 thru #46 and tell me that you don't think any of those Ladies are Beautiful, Sexy and Feminine enough to showcased in a Swimsuit or Lingerie edition from a Bodybuilding magazine? Please?!

Those Women, and I do mean real Women that are very Beautiful and is what REAL HARDCORE WOMEN'S BODYBUILDING'S ALL ABOUT AND THE SHAPE OF THINGS TO COME PERIOD!!!!

And The "Motor City" fan has got to give Major Props and Respect to The General for bringing up this constructive topic. And General I'm going to tell you the same thing that I've told Shadowman: You just keep on preaching Brother, and keep on Fighting the Good fight on behalf of us Female Muscle Lovers period!!!! Just be careful on how you present it though. We at Genex need more topics like this to keep things motivated.

And everyone else, have an open mind if you're going to be pumping up figure in a Bodybuilding magazine, then it's only fair to put in a whole lot of FBBs period.

And trust me you'll see plenty of also if you want more proof, then go to the FTVideo Fourm at the bottom when Gene has taken a poll of what the posters of these Forums would like to see more on this website, The majority overules "Thickly Beefy Dense Freaky Shredded Vascular Ripped" contest shape over figure and the off-season. Anymore thoughts on the subject HOLLER, Peace.

SHADOWMAN

April 28th, 2006, 09:26 PM

First and formost, Again, no one is HATING on figure, but the bottom line is that Women for those folks who didn't take the time to read what Tighthat and I was debating about need to go over and read the First two pages of this thread.

And I'll also agree again that it was wrong to slam any of the Women in figure but again as a Long time fan of Women's Bodybuilding, not all FBBs are these butch dyke mutant freaks of nature that the Publishers, Promotors, Sponsors and Haters make out to be but are VERY Aesthetically Beautiful, Sexy, Attractive and Marketable as the figure gals. REMEMBER that Female Bodybuilders come in different shapes and sizes.

And to the "Figure Posters" from Muscle Mayhem who also frequents these boards, I too have a seen figure competitors up close who look like they would make Beautiful Lightweight to Light-Heavyweight (BUT NOT HEAVYWEIGHT) Bodybuilders period in a more Cory/Lenda kinda way. But again I'm going to keep on remphasizing that if you're the publisher of a Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazine and you're going to publish a Swimsuit or Lingerie issue than the first thing that you want to see is a whole lot of The Best Beautiful Women Bodybuilders modeling the latest 1 and 2-piece swimwear as well as the latest styles of lingerie period.

I just feel that Women Bodybuilders deserve sweet justice. And I'm proud to be a Superfan of Women's Bodybuilding until I exist no more. And if you need anymore proof that Women Bodybuilders deserve to be showcased prominently in Bodybuilding Magazines then go and check out Tripper's posts #43 thru #46 and tell me that you don't think any of those Ladies are Beautiful, Sexy and Feminine enough to showcased in a Swimsuit or Lingerie edition from a Bodybuilding magazine. I dare you!!

Those Women, and I do mean real Women are what REAL HARDCORE WOMEN'S BODYBUILDING'S ALL ABOUT AND THE SHAPE OF THINGS TO COME PERIOD!!!! And The "Motor City" fan has got to give Major Props and Respect to The General for bringing up this constructive topic. And General I'm going to tell you the same thing that I've told Shadowman: You just keep on preaching Brother, and keep on Fighting the Good fight on behalf of us Female Muscle Lovers period!!!! Just be careful on how you present it though. We at Genex need more topics like this to keep things motivated.

And everyone else, have an open mind if you're going to be pumping up figure in a Bodybuilding magazine, then it's only fair to put in a whole lot of FBBs period.
And trust me you'll see plenty of also if you want more proof, then go to the FTVideo Fourm at the bottom when Gene has taken a poll of what the posters of these Forums would like to see more on this website, The majority overules "Thickly Beefy Dense Freaky Shredded Vascular Ripped" contest shape over figure and the off-season. Anymore thoughts on the subject HOLLER, Peace.HMMMM,INTERESTING,,,AN EXCELLENT SHOT ACROSS THE BOW OF THE DESPARAGERS OF THE ENCOMPASSING MYTHIC BEAUTY OF WOMEN BODYBUILDER EVERYWHERE!!!!! NO ARGUEMENT AGAIN THE ACCEPTABILITY OF WOMEN BODYBUILDERS NOR THE ARGUMENTS AGAIN THEM THEIR BEING MARGETABLE HOLD ANY TYPE OF LOGIC WHAT SO EVER!!!!! BEING THAT WOMEN OF BODYBUILDER MUSCLE WHETHER COMPETITORS OR JUST LIVING THE LIFE STYPE AS WELL AS ALL THOSE THAT ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE LOOK ON THESE MAGNIFICENT WOMEN WHETHER THEY(MEN) ARE INTO BODYBUILDING THEMSELVES OR JUST SIMPLY LOVE THE LOOK UPON WOMEN ARE NUMBERING IN THE THOUSANDS TO TENS OF THOUSANDS THROUGH OUT THE WORLD,,THUS BY VERTUE OF THIS FACT MAKE ALL WOMEN BODYBUILDERS WHO WOULD BE PROMOTING THEIR ASSOCIATIONS WITH PRODUCTS FOUND WITHIN THE SPORT OR ABOUT THE SPORT IN ALL ITS VARIATIONS MAKE THESE WOMEN MARKETABLE,,PERIOD!!!!!!!! IF THERE WERE NONE AS THEY ARE IN THE WORLD,THEY MIGHT HAVE A POINT,,BUT THERE ARE A GREAT MANY INFACT,,AND THE POWERS THAT BE WITHIN THE NPS & IFBB KNOW THIS FACT FULL WELL!!!!!!! THEIR AGENDA IN THIS ATTEMPTS AT HINDERING WOMEN'S BODYBUILDING IS OTHERWISE THAN WHAT THEY WOULD INDICATE TO ALL ELSE!!!!!!!!!!

cbdetroit

April 29th, 2006, 01:21 AM

cbdetroit

April 29th, 2006, 09:48 AM

And Tripper, my Man I'm still drooling over those Beautiful and Sexy Women Bodybuilders/Fitness Women that you've posted over on Page 2 of this thread. I think that those with "figure on the brains" (especially the Haters of FBBs) need somemore visual proof that there are just as many Good-looking FBBs out there that deserves a fair shot at any Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazine's Annual Swimsuit & Lingerie editions period.

Come on folks wouldn't you would Love to see Beautiful Women like Tangela Morgan, Ann Dana, Lindsey Mulinazzi, Michelle Davis, Dre Dillard, Angie Salvagno, Claire Rohrbacker, Beverly DiRenzo, Pam Shealy, Lisa James, Barbara Fletcher, Beth Horn, Laurie Vainman, Mimi Jabalee, Cathy Lefrancois Priest, Debbie Patton, Shannon Dey, Heather Pedigo and Christine Roth? I don't know about you but I know that I want to see Beautiful Women like these in the Bodybuilding Magazines big time!!

Hardcore Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women has got it going on big time.

Plus (again in a HYPOTHETICAL manner) if Gene or James were to come out with either a magazine or videotape/DVD that contains anyone of our Heroes that was mentioned in posts #8, #15, #20, #42 as well as this post for the members of the Genex Forums & FT Webcam Forums with either one of these forumulas:

50% Women Bodybuilders (including the Hardcore and Drug-Free kind)
25% Fitness Women
25% Figure Women

or

75% Women Bodybuilders
35% Fitness & Figure Women

or

80% Women Bodybuilders
40% Fitness Women

or

100% Women Bodybuilders
40% Fitness Women

or nothing but

100% Women Bodybuilders period

And the prices for those items would be:

$5.00 for the Magazine
$10.00 for the Videotape/DVD that's a good deal that I'm willing to pay for. So I want to ask the administrators (Gene & James) as well as Hans, Tripper, Maxt, Tjenks, Shadowman, Amazon Lover, Noah, Roman, Petervrg, All Amateur & Pro FBBs & Fitness Women feel free to HOLLER, Peace.

SHADOWMAN

April 29th, 2006, 01:16 PM

Ok Shadowman as a fellow fan of Female Muscle, if you were a Publisher of a "Hardcore" Bodybuilding Magazine (which by the way only caters to a certain segment of the population) that's about to produce a "Special Swimsuit or Lingerie edition, would you have put a lot of Women Bodybuilders in your publication or you're going to choke up, give into negative peer pressure and replace them with figure gals or twiggy waif runway models to model the latest swimwear or lingerie, so your periodical can appeal to the mainstream?

And again I'll mention it before and so I'll mention it again, if you're going to display figure in your "Bodybuilding" magazine then you might as well display just as much or even more Hardcore FBBs/Fitness Women (in the Cory Everson/Lenda Murray/Yaxeni Oriquen/Juliette Bergmann/Sophie Duquette/Marja Lehtonen/Diana Dennis mode) since it's supposed to be strickly hardcore.

To me figure gals are much better off in Magazines such as Vanity Fair, Vouge, Maxim, FHM, Fredricks of Hollywood, Victoria's Secret, Planet Muscle, Oxygen, Venus Swimwear Catalog, Cosmopolitan, American Curves, Sports Illustrated (SI) Swimwear issue and Stuff Magazines, But not in a Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazine, so Shadowman feel free to think about it and don't be afraid to let your feelings show, so feel free to HOLLER in your best SHADOWMAN STYLE. And no disrespect to Halo, but I'm sure that she would like to hear this, Peace.BEING THAT WOMEN BODYBUILDERS INDEED COME IN ALL SHAPES AND SIZES,THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY NEED FOR ME TO EVEN PONDER HAVING A FITNESS WOMAN OF MUSCLE IN THE MAG AD!!!! I COULD GET THE AFFECT OF THE DIFFERING EXPRESSIONS OF BODYTYPE WITHOUT EVEN ENTERTAINING THE IDEA OF A SMALLER MUSCLE FITNESS WOMAN!!! THE SMALLEST MUSCLE BUILT OF WOMEN BODYBUILDERS (THOUGH STILL DENSLY MUSCLED THAN MOST FITNESS GIRLS) COULD EASILY SOLVE THE DIVERSITY IDEA IN BODY SIZES IN HOW LINGERIE LOOKS AND FITS OF SEVERAL TYPE OF MUSCULAR WOMEN,,BIGGER MUSCLED AND SMALLER MUSCLED AND EVERY TYPE IN BETWEEN!!!!!!! NO,,FITNESS WOMEN IN FITNESS SHAPE WOULD NOT BE A PART OF MY LINGERIE EDITION UNLESS THEY POSESSED OLYMPIA FITNESS MUSCULARITY THEN I'D CONSIDER IT,,FOR THEY ARE CLOSER TO BEING LIGHTWEIGHT,,EVEN MIDDLE WEIGHT SIZED MUSCULARITY WITH SOME BODYTYPES FOUND IN THAT COMPETITION, OR LEAST WHEN I'D PAID ATTENTION TO IT IN TIMES PAST,,BUT THE TRIDITIONAL (AS IT WERE) FITNESS GIRL,,ABSOLUTELY NOT,,IT'S A BODYBUILDING MAG,,NOT A FITNESS MAG,,POSESS A FEMALE BODYBUILDER OR BODYBUILDER-LIKE PHYSIQUE WHICH CERTAIN FITNESS GIRLS DO AND I WOULD PUT THEM IN THE LINGERIE EDITION IN KEEPING WITH THE BODYBUILDER PHYSIQUE,,AND THAT WOULD BE AFTER PUTTING THOSE TRUE WOMEN BODYBUILDERS THAT I KNEW & HAD IN MIND IN THE MAG AD FIRST!!!!!!!

jasons805

April 29th, 2006, 01:21 PM

cbdetroit

April 29th, 2006, 02:49 PM

BEING THAT WOMEN BODYBUILDERS INDEED COME IN ALL SHAPES AND SIZES,THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY NEED FOR ME TO EVEN PONDER HAVING A FITNESS WOMAN OF MUSCLE IN THE MAG AD!!!! I COULD GET THE AFFECT OF THE DIFFERING EXPRESSIONS OF BODYTYPE WITHOUT EVEN ENTERTAINING THE IDEA OF A SMALLER MUSCLE FITNESS WOMAN!!! THE SMALLEST MUSCLE BUILT OF WOMEN BODYBUILDERS (THOUGH STILL DENSLY MUSCLED THAN MOST FITNESS GIRLS) COULD EASILY SOLVE THE DIVERSITY IDEA IN BODY SIZES IN HOW LINGERIE LOOKS AND FITS OF SEVERAL TYPE OF MUSCULAR WOMEN,,BIGGER MUSCLED AND SMALLER MUSCLED AND EVERY TYPE IN BETWEEN!!!!!!! NO,,FITNESS WOMEN IN FITNESS SHAPE WOULD NOT BE A PART OF MY LINGERIE EDITION UNLESS THEY POSESSED OLYMPIA FITNESS MUSCULARITY THEN I'D CONSIDER IT,,FOR THEY ARE CLOSER TO BEING LIGHTWEIGHT,,EVEN MIDDLE WEIGHT SIZED MUSCULARITY WITH SOME BODYTYPES FOUND IN THAT COMPETITION, OR LEAST WHEN I'D PAID ATTENTION TO IT IN TIMES PAST,,BUT THE TRIDITIONAL (AS IT WERE) FITNESS GIRL,,ABSOLUTELY NOT,,IT'S A BODYBUILDING MAG,,NOT A FITNESS MAG,,POSESS A FEMALE BODYBUILDER OR BODYBUILDER-LIKE PHYSIQUE WHICH CERTAIN FITNESS GIRLS DO AND I WOULD PUT THEM IN THE LINGERIE EDITION IN KEEPING WITH THE BODYBUILDER PHYSIQUE,,AND THAT WOULD BE AFTER PUTTING THOSE TRUE WOMEN BODYBUILDERS THAT I KNEW & HAD IN MIND IN THE MAG AD FIRST!!!!!!!And from the words of Shadowman, thanks for putting so well in "SHADOWMAN STYLE", but actually it's more of the figure girls as well as those twiggy stick figure models that look like they've never had been to the gym that the Bodybuilding Magazines have placed instead of Women Bodybuilders.

I have no problem with the magazine showcasing Women that are Fit and in good shape but like I've said before Women Bodybuilders deserve Love , Respect and deserved to showcased in the Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazines with complete contest coverage and beyond including the Swimsuit and Lingerie issues just like it was back during 1980s thru Mid-1990s period.

Now if we're talking Oxygen, Shape, American Curves, Planet Muscle, Venus Swimwear or Fredrick's of Hollywood Catalogs that caters to more of the Mainstream then that's a whole different ball game all together, wouldn't you agree?

And again Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazines only cater to a certain segment of the population, those who seriously want to build muscle for competion & other sports as well as the die-hard fans of the sport. Anyone else got an opinion, HOLLER!!!! Peace.

cbdetroit

April 29th, 2006, 02:52 PM

I can't stand those hot body contests that get posted here from time to time and there is maybe if lucky one bber allowed. I hate how some get excluded in this sport.Thank's Jasons805 for telling it like it is. FBBs need more love and support period, Peace.

CoryC

April 29th, 2006, 04:17 PM

And from the words of Shadowman, thanks for putting so well in "SHADOWMAN STYLE", but actually it's more of the figure girls as well as those twiggy stick figure models that look like they've never had been to the gym that the Bodybuilding Magazines have placed instead of Women Bodybuilders.

I have no problem with the magazine showcasing Women that are Fit and in good shape but like I've said before Women Bodybuilders deserve Love , Respect and deserved to showcased in the Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazines with complete contest coverage and beyond including the Swimsuit and Lingerie issues just like it was back during 1980s thru Mid-1990s period.

Now if we're talking Oxygen, Shape, American Curves, Planet Muscle, Venus Swimwear or Fredrick's of Hollywood Catalogs that caters to more of the Mainstream then that's a whole different ball game all together, wouldn't you agree?

And again Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazines only cater to a certain segment of the population, those who seriously want to build muscle for competion & other sports as well as the die-hard fans of the sport. Anyone else got an opinion, HOLLER!!!! Peace.

Actually I think that FLEX and the other magazines cater primarily to a male audience that's mainly interested in seeing the T&A aspect of the industry. The mistake that FBBer's (and their fans) make is assuming that those media outlets have any interest in forwarding the cause of FBB. They don't, and they never will.

The future of FBB (IMO) will be written on the Internet. THAT's the medium that will keep the discipline moving forward. The problem is the supplement companies control the mags, and FBB's don't generate a great amount of supplement sales.

That Male BB'ing is going to have the same problem should tell them something. It's not just FBB that's broken, its the entire industry. But the problems arise when you start to equate effort, with results. If the two were connected then construction workers would be the richest people on the planet....

cbdetroit

April 29th, 2006, 08:27 PM

Actually I think that FLEX and the other magazines cater primarily to a male audience that's mainly interested in seeing the T&A aspect of the industry. The mistake that FBBer's (and their fans) make is assuming that those media outlets have any interest in forwarding the cause of FBB. They don't, and they never will.

The future of FBB (IMO) will be written on the Internet. THAT's the medium that will keep the discipline moving forward. The problem is the supplement companies control the mags, and FBB's don't generate a great amount of supplement sales.

That Male BB'ing is going to have the same problem should tell them something. It's not just FBB that's broken, its the entire industry. But the problems arise when you start to equate effort, with results. If the two were connected then construction workers would be the richest people on the planet....If that's the case then that's where Maxim, Playboy, Hustler, Penthouse, FHM, Stuff, American Curves and Muscular Development's magazines "D-cup girls" are primarly for those Male Individuals who want to see plenty of T&A.

Now I'm not going to make a derogortory or sexist remark but biologically what separates Men from Women as far as being attracted to the opposite sex is visual stimulation period (and this includes all ethnic and social groups).

If it looks good then Most Men would attracted to that particular person, item or thing and they will persue it and embrace it. But if it doesn't look good then then most Men would not want to have anything to do with it.

Remember this phrase that I've mentioned last year during BoomBoomRoom's "Dating a FBB" thread, That "Pretty People are attractive to Pretty or Prettier things". Everyone wants a Cadillac, Lincoln and Mercedes but not a hooptie (jalopy).

And also like I mentioned on to Tighthat on page 2 that I find it very funny that Women talk about that they don't want to touch a weight because they don't want to look like Men but no, they don't have a problem wanting to have nice Abs/Obliques, Shapely Arms/Shoulders, Tiny/Waspy Waistlines, A Tight firm Butt and Shapely legs which are all identified with Women's Hardcore Bodybuilding for years. And remember this fellow posters, If it wasn't for Women's Bodybuilding, you wouldn't have Fitness or figure period.

I've mentioned before that the powers that be has done a grave mistake for omitting Women's Bodybuilding from Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazines and remember folks not, again not all FBBs are this big, scary looking, unfeminine as what the "higher ups" that run the federation, Bodybuilding magazines and supplement companies talk about. Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women are again among the most Beautiful on the planet and they deserve a fair shot period, they've paid their dues everytime that they gone to the gyms.

And again don't tell me that no Man is attractive to the Women who competed in Hardcore Bodybuilding & Fitness. There's plenty of guys out there that are dating, intimate and/or married to FBBs, and they're mostly other Bodybuilders, Football players, Wrestlers, Powerlifters, Personal Trainers even some other FBBs and every once in a while an "average joe" with, or without money if he's lucky after all opposites attract.

And as for me I give any Women Bodybuilder & Fitness Women the Love, Props & Respect for the Hard Work, Time, Dedication, Commitment and Sacrifice that it takes to build their bodies because it didn't happen over night. Women Bodybuilders are "Gifts From God" and deserved to be cherised.

And to all of the Magazine Publishers out there, have a open mind and put Women's Bodybuilding back full time in the Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazines (including the Swimsuit & Lingerie issues) you'll be glad that you did, Peace.

tighthat

April 29th, 2006, 09:37 PM

women are just as concerned with looks as men are. more women will talk about brad pitt than john goodman. fortunately, that is not always all they care about. i think everyone has an internal ideal that they desire, and everyone has requirements in a mate. part of being human is coming to terms with what those things are. a larger part is learning to accept when your ideals are selfish or unreasonable. of course, accepting them as unreasonable does not necessarily equal giving them up.

Amazon Lover

April 30th, 2006, 04:35 AM

I find it very funny that Women talk about that they don't want to touch a weight because they don't want to look like Men but no, they don't have a problem wanting to have nice Abs/Obliques, Shapely Arms/Shoulders, Tiny/Waspy Waistlines, A Tight firm Butt and Shapely legs which are all identified with Women's Hardcore Bodybuilding for years.Exactly, I reckon if you were to leak fitness photos and the like into fashion magazines ...a lot more women would sit up and take notice and then this sport / industry would really take off!!And Natalia Murnikoviene!! Holy mother of everything good in this world!! Whatever happened to her??I'd be very interested to know as well? ...and take a look at those fabolous legs! I'd pay to see her and Heather Policky side by side in a pose down, now that would be some leg show :banana: :banana:

SHADOWMAN

April 30th, 2006, 02:11 PM

With Her Genetics Forged Forth In A Gymnastic Backgroud And Hard Training Crafting This Affect Upon Her Body She Gain Powerful Bodiful Strength And Incredible Bodiful Beauty,,heralded By A Most Allurinf Foxy Seductive Face To Complete The Package!!!! She Is Unquestionably Powerful Bodied Erotic Muscled,, Sensually Sexy,, And Boundlessly Beautiful!!!!!! Indeed She Knew How To Wield This Affect Of Her Entire-all Most Extremely Well!!!!! Years Ago When First I Saw The Merriest Glimps Of Her Astounding All-beauty I Was Hooked On It,, Lithewanian Feminined Muscle Opened By Eyes To The Glorious Aesthetic Yield Of Awesome Genetics Their Women Are So Embued By And Capable Of Having Braught Forth Thru Althletic Endeavors,, Gymnastics ,, bodybuilding And Other Athletics,they Can Have Very Foxy Booties As Wellmi've Seen That Fact Upclose Too When Meeting Them,lol (sorry) Had To Mention That Also!!!! Since,having Seen, Natalia I've Been Availed Of This Unchallengable Fact When Meeting These Athletic Goddeses Who Are Incredible Gloriously Gifted Women!!!! Hopefully, Natalia Too Will Be Another Goddess-queen Of Muscle Beauty Who Comes Out Of Retirement And Graces The Stage And Our Eyes With Her Magnificent Mindnumbing Majesty Radiant In All Its Brilliance!!!!!

cbdetroit

May 1st, 2006, 06:18 PM

Exactly, I reckon if you were to leak fitness photos and the like into fashion magazines ...a lot more women would sit up and take notice and then this sport / industry would really take off!!I'd be very interested to know as well? ...and take a look at those fabolous legs! I'd pay to see her and Heather Policky side by side in a pose down, now that would be some leg show :banana: :banana:I agree with you big time Amazon Lover.

Amazon Lover

May 2nd, 2006, 08:08 AM

50% Women Bodybuilders (including the Hardcore and Drug-Free kind)
25% Fitness Women
25% Figure Women
This sound great but unfortunatly not everyone is going to agree, especially the publishers ...what you need to do is have 33% FBB, 33% Fitness and 33% Figure ...this would keep each and every fan happy ...in a lingurie or swimsuit spread you mix and match them, e.g one woman from each three catorgies on each page ...problem is solved :banana: :banana:

Tripper

May 2nd, 2006, 07:20 PM

I still say that if a magazine is going to cover women's bodybuilding at any level then they owe it to the women to promote their look by featuring them in the swimsuit and lingerie specials. Regardless of what they think their readers want to see. You can't tell me that the pictures of Melissa Coates below would discourage too many readers. They are from the 1998 Musclemag lingerie issue. Magazines need to set the trend and lead the way, not go vanilla in an attempt to please all.

cbdetroit

May 2nd, 2006, 11:02 PM

Tripper my Friend, YOU'RE THE MAN WITH THE PLAN!!!! Just like on posts #43 thru #46 on Page 2 of this thread this is what needs to shown in the Hardcore Women's Bodybuilding Magazines Good Buddy.

But I don't think that the "FBB haters" out there are convinced enough maybe another picture or two should convince them whaddaya say my Good Friend?

Other than that Women Bodybuilders (including the Hardcore & Drug-Free kind) are "Gifts from God" Period, Peace.

femalemusclefan

May 3rd, 2006, 11:52 AM

Tripper

May 3rd, 2006, 02:06 PM

But I don't think that the "FBB haters" out there are convinced enough maybe another picture or two should convince them whaddaya say my Good Friend

Sorry but that's really about it. The rest of the pics are of figure or "swimsuit" type models that do this discussion no justice.

Echo

May 3rd, 2006, 02:42 PM

http://www.wpw.net/wpwclubs/0-intros/skaminga278/club02/images/sk2.0.003b.jpg
Suzan Kaminga

Echo

May 3rd, 2006, 02:48 PM

http://www.wpw.net/wpwclubs/0-intros/skaminga278/club01/images/sk1.0.002b.jpg
Suzan Kaminga

Echo

May 3rd, 2006, 02:52 PM

http://www.wpw.net/wpwclubs/0-intros/drutkowski/club01/images/1932.0.264b.drutkowski.jpg
Denise Rutkowski

Echo

May 3rd, 2006, 03:03 PM

http://www.muscleladies.net/Jody/Pics/Jody1404.jpg
Jody May

cbdetroit

May 3rd, 2006, 03:15 PM

Sorry but that's really about it. The rest of the pics are of figure or "swimsuit" type models that do this discussion no justice.
Hey Tripper don't worry I could understand but I myself as well as everyone else who's took the time to read this thread from the beginning on page 1 are forever grateful for your contributions to the cause my Good Friend.

And especially the posts #43 thru #46 on Page 2 as well as post #73 on Page 3 of this thread. Like I said before, Tripper YOU'RE THE MAN WITH THE PLAN!!!! And keep the faith Good Buddy a change is gonna come.

And again the "Motor City" fan is going to give big Props & Respect to The General for discussing this subject on both The Muscle Mayhem as well as these Forums on behalf of our Heroes, Peace.

cbdetroit

May 3rd, 2006, 03:27 PM

http://www.wpw.net/wpwclubs/0-intros/skaminga278/club02/images/sk2.0.003b.jpg
Suzan Kaminga
OOOH LA LA, OH MY GOD!!!!!!!! NOW THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT (WHOOHOO!!!!!!!!) This is most definitely needs to shown in any one of the Hardcore Bodybuilding's Magazine's Swimsuit as well as their Lingerie editions Period!!!!

cbdetroit

May 3rd, 2006, 03:36 PM

http://www.wpw.net/wpwclubs/0-intros/skaminga278/club01/images/sk1.0.002b.jpg
Suzan Kaminga
Like Jim Carrey said in the movie called "The Mask": "SOMEBODY STOP ME, SMOKING!!!!!!!!" And this is what's real Hardcore Bodybuilding's all about, Marketable Symmetry & Proportion not Massive Bulk.

This is what should be displayed in Bodybuilding Magazines more so beyond contest coverage (including the Swimsuit & Lingerie Issues) Period. Echo, The General would be so proud of you. :)

Echo

May 3rd, 2006, 03:47 PM

http://www.musclewomen.net/Amanda/Pics/Amanda2803.jpg
Amanda Dunbar

The Telephone Call I Would Like To Hear:

Jim Manion (NPC Life President) to Peter McGough (FLEX Magazine):

Mr. Manion: Hey Peter! I want to thank you for all the great magazine exposure you have been giving to our 2005 USA champion, Phil Heath.

Mr. McGough: No problem, Jim. Phil's a great young man and we have been happy to have him work with us.

Mr. Manion: Peter, are you familiar with our 2005 USA Women's champion, Amanda Dunbar?

Mr. McGough: Very vaguely. I think I know who she is.

Mr. Manion: Well, that's the problem and that's why I called today. Amanda is an attractive young lady and she really represents the trend that we are trying to establish with our Women's bodybuilding program. Our organization really needs your help to promote our efforts with our Women's program. Amanda is a sweetheart. She takes a great picture and she doesn't talk like a trucker, like some of them do, you know what I mean?

Mr. McGough: I'm listening, Jim.

Mr. Manion: So, I would like to ask you on behalf of our organization.....in fact, I would consider it a personal favor to me if you could provide some magazine exposure for our Women's bodybuilding champ. Can I count on you for your help?

Mr. McGough: Absolutely, Jim. I will bring it up during our next layout meeting. Can you get me some pictures of Amanda so that we have a starting point to work from?

Mr. Manion: I will have someone from the office e-mail some to you when I get off the phone. Thanks so much for your help Peter.

cbdetroit

May 3rd, 2006, 03:48 PM

And Echo, I'm also LOVING the choices of Denise Rutkowski and Jody May as well for any Hardcore Magazine's Swimsuit issue because of their Beautifully Attainable physiques as well. Again Everyone remember Tripper's post's #43 thru #46 on Page 2 as well as post #73 on page 3 to realize that Beautiful Symmetrical Women Bodybuilders come in different weight classes. Just look at Nikki, Erica, Natalia & Melissa for further Proof.

And again Echo, yes if it was up to me everyone of those Beautiful Ladies would be showcased in the Hardcore Women's Bodybuilding Magazines (including the Swimsuit & Lingerie Issues).

edoardo

May 3rd, 2006, 04:02 PM

Is Echo Halo? :headscrat

SHADOWMAN

May 3rd, 2006, 04:30 PM

i must say,, when the powers that be start judging the guys with such relative criteria i might not look upon them their efforts with such distain,,for then the rules would as edict to all,,men and women with the sports of bodybuilding!!!!!! point blank,,there aren't in my judgement nearly enough patron fans of the muscle mags out there by comparrison to those that were apparent when they feature bodybuilder muscled women within its pages to justify in the slittest one of their rediculous auguements for not putting the female bodybuilders back promonantly,nor can they prove by their readership because of the fitness over-all the success of the mags compared to when women bodybuilders permiated their pages blessing it with their very profound superior femininity!!!!!!! As to any mags that would positively feature one or some women of bodybuilder muscle within its articles would indeed be an opened minded well recieved by we admiring fans both men and women,, especially if they did quite often finding themes concerning women on the whole and encluding women of extreme muscle among then as they are indeed women as well,,thus any issue concerning women obviously concerns them,,whether it be life issues,particularly but obviously not limited to romance & love,clothing,,perfume etc. which brings me tio the rediculous tv add for axe feature the most incredibly beautied Jitka,,to emply that she or a woman like her as a woman of muscle would only attract skinny guys that might their own particular short cummings in the dating dept,,or that women of muscle like jitka and others would only have such as these standing before them to be chosen by such glorious women of ultimate powerful beauty is beyond desparaging and unquestionably utterly rediculous,,i very much disliked the portrayal that jitka has to be sattled with,,especially her being one of the most attractive bodied beauties within the superior arena of the athletic worlds!!!!!!!! I shall speak more on this encompassing subject later on tonight!!!!!!!

SHADOWMAN

May 3rd, 2006, 04:35 PM

Oh,,By The Way,,since The Fan Base For Women Of Extreme Muscle Already Exists In Spades,, Any Buisiness Woman Or Man Can Start Up A Mag And It Shall Be Unquestionably Well Recieved,, Remembering Promotion Opportune Venues Can Be Done Most Extremely Inovatively If You Would Be Hindered By Some There Be Others And You Can Indeed Be Quite Creative Given Certain Situations!!!!! Anybody Into The Piblic Relations Game,,advertising And Such?????????????

SHADOWMAN

May 3rd, 2006, 04:41 PM

Echo

May 3rd, 2006, 05:05 PM

I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW TO RESPOND TO THE PARTICULAR POINT THAT WAS ADDRESSED IN THAT COMMUNICAE!!!!!! I'LL THINK OF IT AND SPEAK ON IT LATER!!!!!!!!!!

SHADOWMAN:

The point will become much more clear if you first read post #51 on this thread and re-read post #84 (which you have captioned above). Thank you for your reply.

Amazon Lover

May 4th, 2006, 05:52 AM

Here's a hottie swimsuit model for 'ya ...Sultry Debra D' Andrea

cbdetroit

May 4th, 2006, 09:22 AM

See what I mean, you have FBBs out there that are just as Symmetrically Marketable & Attainable as that of the figure gals. They need the right kind of marketing so they could be showcased in any Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazine with complete contest coverage and beyond (including their Swimsuit & Lingerie editions as well).

And Amazon Lover I've heard you on Page 3 and you're right about the Level playing field that the breakdown of the Ladies that the publishers would put in the Swimsuit as well as the Lingerie issues is:

30% Women Bodybuilders (including the Hardcore & Drug-Free kind)
30% Fitness Women
30% Figure Women

and as far as the Women Bodybuilders goes use anyone of the Women that I've mentioned on posts #8, #15, #20, and #42 of this thread as well as Tripper's, Echo's & Amazon Lover's posts on What should be a good representative of what a FBB should look like.

But like I said if it was up to me the figure gals would be in Magazines like Shape, American Curves, Oxygen, Sports Illustrated (SI) Swimsuit Edition, Maxim, FHM, Stuff and leave the Feminine Hardcore & Drug-Free FBBs/Fitness Women for the Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazines Swimsuit as well as their Lingerie Editions and the breakdown would go like this:

75% Women Bodybuilders (including the Hardcore & Drug-Free kind)
45% Fitness Women

or

50% Women Bodybuilders
50% Fitness Women

And also Have a complimentary videotape/DVD to go with that and it will be all good.

Just think about it and I have no problem paying $5.00 for the magazine and $10.00 for the videotape/DVD but what do you think. It sounds like a plan to me.

Amazon Lover

May 5th, 2006, 04:25 PM

Marlene Churchill http://www.amg-lite.com/marlene_churchill if this woman isn't a candiate for Swimsuit / Lingurie, I don't know who is? Very sexy and alluring, reminds me a little of Diana Dennis!

Amazon Lover

May 5th, 2006, 09:49 PM

I know she's retired but Diana Dennis would look great in a swimsuit/lingure mag ...I'm sure she's done some in her time!!

Amazon Lover

May 5th, 2006, 10:12 PM

more hot erotica from Diana

cbdetroit

May 7th, 2006, 11:34 PM

Amazon Lover, thanks again Good Buddy for proving my point!!!! Diana Dennis as well as Marlene "Ice" Churchill (Fit for you here at the Forums) are some prime examples of Beautiful Feminine Muscle that are very Marketable & Attainable enough to be showcased in Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazines.

It's like I said before, the Publishers of Bodybuilding Magazines need to have a open mind and start showcasing the Symmetrical Hardcore Women Bodybuilders beyond contest coverage and beyond.

cbdetroit

May 10th, 2006, 12:55 PM

I also forgot to mentioned to The General, in that same issue on page 304 There was a review of the 2005 NPC Junior Nationals and so far they've showed photos of the Men's Bodybuilding and Women's Fitness & Figure Winners and have written articles on their contest victory.

But there was only one photo of the Women's Bodybuilding Winner and there was no written article about her victory which is sad. Again I don't blame anyone else out there who wants to boycott the magazine because Female Bodybuilders have paid there dues plus not all of them again are the unattractive "she-beasts" that folks have made them out to be.

Just take a look at the top 6 finalists in the various weight classes from the Jr. USAs to the Nationals as well as the top 6 finalists in the weight classes from the Arnold's to the Olympia is living proof that there are Beautiful Women Bodybuilders that deserve plenty of positive recognition and showcased with complete contest coverage and beyond in Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazines.

It's like I mentioned before the publishers of Bodybuilding Magazines need to have an open mind because Women Bodybuilders (including the Hardcore and Drug-Free kind) need Love too.

Amazon Lover

May 11th, 2006, 06:56 PM

Debra D'Andrea Raunchy In RED!!

cbdetroit

May 16th, 2006, 11:25 PM

I agree with you Amazon Lover but I also got to give Major Props to another one of my Heroes, Claire Rohrbacker who've won a Bodybuilding contest on Saturday May 13, 2006 at the Consta Costa Bodybuilding Championships and her physique is pure Symmetrical Feminine Proportion at its finest.

She's a very Beautiful Woman and in my opinion, her physique deserves to be showcased in FLEX as well as anyone of the Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazine's Swimsuit & Lingerie Editions.

Claire is living proof is that Women Bodybuilders are a "Gift from God" and that Symmetry & Proportion rules big time.

cbdetroit

May 18th, 2006, 11:45 AM

Amazon Lover

May 18th, 2006, 09:43 PM

Diana Dennis ...sheer erotic symmetry at her best!!!

femalemusclefan

May 18th, 2006, 11:07 PM

Diana Dennis ...sheer erotic symmetry at her best!!!

You bet! :carrot:

herculizaah

May 19th, 2006, 11:09 AM

Hey Herculizzah (Liza), I've checked out the issue of Planet Muscle over at one of the local bookstores here in the Detroit Area and seen photos of you in the article on Page 194 in the magazine and you look very Good. Your Symmetry & Proportion has got it going on.

Other than you and Ms. Olympia Lenda Murray (who also looked Good) on Page 208 the rest of the Women in the magazine was mostly pure figure and that there should've been more Beautiful Symmetrical Women Bodybuilders showcased in that Magazine as well.

I couldnt agree more, Chris! I had some big hopes for that magazine exposure...maybe that "Pinnacle Nutrition" or "Beverly International" (Planet Muscle magazine's biggest advertisers) might pick this ol' natural gal up, but no such luck!!
Nada... Other than federal tax relief, pro bodybuilding (including my website) has been a losing proposition for me.
Be it as it may, I am still very grateful to Jeff Everson for the exposure.

Echo

May 19th, 2006, 12:59 PM

...... I had some big hopes for that magazine exposure...maybe that "Pinnacle Nutrition" or "Beverly International" (Planet Muscle magazine's biggest advertisers) might pick this ol' natural gal up, but no such luck!!

Women represent an overlooked segment of the consumer public by the bodybuilding industry. Last week, at the Contra Costa Bodybuilding Championships, more than half of the total contestants that day were figure competitors........Women. These are women that belong to gyms and buy nutritional supplements, gym clothes, and all the other accoutrements that men do.

Hang in there, Herculizaah. Eventually, more companies will come forth with marketing strategies geared toward Women. Hopefully, you will find yourself in the right place and right time to take advantage of such opportunities.

cbdetroit

May 19th, 2006, 06:01 PM

I couldnt agree more, Chris! I had some big hopes for that magazine exposure...maybe that "Pinnacle Nutrition" or "Beverly International" (Planet Muscle magazine's biggest advertisers) might pick this ol' natural gal up, but no such luck!!
Nada... Other than federal tax relief, pro bodybuilding (including my website) has been a losing proposition for me.
Be it as it may, I am still very grateful to Jeff Everson for the exposure.I agree with you 100% Liza. Since Planet Muscle is supposed to be a Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazine as far as the Women being showcased is very much "figure" on the brains big time.

And now do you see why I would put that magazine up there with Maxim, Fredrick's Of Hollywood & Victoria's Secret.

Again the Figure gals look good but it would've been even better if more Beautifully Symmetrical Women Bodybuilders such as yourself were showcased just as much and not the big hulky ultra-massive bulked Women.

Since Planet Muscle doesn't have the same ownership as FLEX, Muscle & Fitness as well as Muscular Development then the folks at that Magazine should show more FBBs from the IFBB/NPC, WNBF/INBF, Fitness America/Musclemainia, then it's all good.

And Liza I hope that you get the sponsorship that you deserve because you're a positive example of what Real Hardcore Woman Bodybuilding's all about and again I'm LOVING your physique. I would love to check out your website sometime if it's available.

cbdetroit

May 19th, 2006, 06:20 PM

And Amazon Lover my friend, thanks again for proving my point about The Beauty of Women's Bodybuilding because Symmetrical Women Bodybuilders such as Liza Lawrence & Diana Dennis are some of the Good Reasons why they deserve to be showcased in a Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazine's Swimsuit & Lingerie Editions, the potential is there the publishers have got to realize this.

Also I gotta give Major Props to Bill Dobbins, James Cook, Gene X. Hwang (I hope I spelled it correctly), Physique-Art Mike, TomNine, and the folks over at WPW/Ray Martin for capturing the Beauty of Feminine Muscle.

And Amazon Lover let's not forget to give Major Love, Props & Respect to Claire Rohrbacker on her victory at the Constra Costa Bodybuilding Championships.

She's another Beautiful Woman that deserves to be showcased in The Swimsuit & Lingerie Editions of the Major Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazines because just like Liza & Diana's physiques, Claire's physique is the Perfect balance of Beauty, Femininty & Muscularity rolled into one. Plus she would make an Excellent IFBB Pro Bodybuilder.

herculizaah

May 20th, 2006, 12:42 PM

I agree with you 100% Liza. Since Planet Muscle is supposed to be a Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazine as far as the Women being showcased is very much "figure" on the brains big time.

And now do you see why I would put that magazine up there with Maxim, Fredrick's Of Hollywood & Victoria's Secret.

Again the Figure gals look good but it would've been even better if more Beautifully Symmetrical Women Bodybuilders such as yourself were showcased just as much and not the big hulky ultra-massive bulked Women.

Since Planet Muscle doesn't have the same ownership as FLEX, Muscle & Fitness as well as Muscular Development then the folks at that Magazine should show more FBBs from the IFBB/NPC, WNBF/INBF, Fitness America/Musclemainia, then it's all good.

And Liza I hope that you get the sponsorship that you deserve because you're a positive example of what Real Hardcore Woman Bodybuilding's all about and again I'm LOVING your physique. I would love to check out your website sometime if it's available.

My website is ALWAYS available! Please feel free to check it out at www.lizalarence.com ...new updates and photo galleries just added to member's section! I welcome your feedback, CBDetroit! :sandychee

cbdetroit

May 20th, 2006, 01:07 PM

Aww thanks Liza I'll make a note of that. And I have the utmost respect for the Women of WNBF/INBF as equally as that of their IFBB/NPC counterparts. And I'm loving that "Freaky Shredded" look that the Women Bodybuilders possess.

cbdetroit

May 21st, 2006, 05:10 PM

On Saturday May 20th, 2006 I attended the 2006 NPC Michigan Bodybuilding, Fitness & Figure Championships (National Qualifier) and spoke to most of the folks in the audience including a couple of FBBs and it was unanimous that Women Bodybuilders should be showcased big time in the Major Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazines including the swimsuit & lingerie issues Which reaffirms things that there's fans of Women Bodybuilders out threre besides myself who desires the same thing all along.

The Women Bodybuilders who competed last night looked Great and is the weight class winners as well as the Masters Women's division winner who is a Drug-Free Bodybuilder looked Terrific and possessing what the IFBB is looking for in its 20% ruling. Plus mostly everyone agreed that the big massive ultra-bulky look in both Men's & Women's Bodybuilding is played out and Symmetry & Proportion rules.

And Herculizzah (Liza) I've checked out the latest issue of Natural Bodybuilding & Fitness at one of the local bookstores here in Metro Detroit/Southeastern Michigan area and I noticed that besides you Mary Ford, Nancy Andrews & Dori Frame the Magazine is showcasing a lot of figure gals as well and I hardly see any Fitness Women in there like it used to be in there earlier issues.

It's like I said before Women Bodybuilders (both the Hardcore & Drug-Free kind) no matter which federation need Love too. I would Love to see more coverage of Women Bodybuilders in that magazine as well.

Other than that you Ladies looked Beautiful and I would Love to check out some WNBF/INBF contests as well as some IFBB/NPC contests as well. Again I'm Loving the Shapes & Symmetry of what you Ladies posess.

herculizaah

May 21st, 2006, 09:57 PM

:D Thank you ever so much, CB...your support of all us competitors in a respectful and gentlemanly manner is well appreciated, I assure you! I have asked Gene to upload some new pics to my thread...still off-season, but tightening up a little...I had fun with a military theme in honor of our troops, and oh, I like to play with knives, too :woot:

cbdetroit

May 22nd, 2006, 12:49 AM

You're welcome Liza, and the "Motor City" will continue to have a Mad, Mad, Loving for the Beautiful Symmetrically Ripped Women of the IFBB/NPC, WNBF/INBF & Fitness America/Musclemainia period.

I'm looking forward to checking the new photos when they come out. I know that our troops will be happy as well after the drama of what they had to go through in the Middle East. There will be no Hating here on this thread.

Still I wish that the folks who run these organizations would showcase more FBBs in their magazines as well as having more pro contests for the Women Bodybuilders after they've recieved their pro cards just as much as there are for the figure gals.

I will say this though Liza just checking out you, & the other Ladies of the WNBF/INBF including Karen Miller & Dara Naber the physiques are a combination of Muscularity, Beauty & Femininty to the Max.

It's great to see Women Bodybuilders to have great gains without doing the juice & perserving their Femininty at the same time. This is the look that will recieve plenty of positive recognition. And Liza Women like yourself are the reason that Symmetry will rule over Mass in the sport of Bodybuilding.

cbdetroit

June 5th, 2006, 03:32 PM

Hey Liza, I almost forgot to mentioned that I've noticed that when I've attended the last couple of Bodybuilding shows in my area I've noticed that there's more Male Bodybuilders doing Guest Posings more than Female Bodybuilders which is sad.

I wished that there were more FBBs doing more Guest Posings since there are plenty available.

Not to sound nieve, but to you or any of the FBBs or Physique Photographers out there that frequent these Forums why the Promoters for any Local or Regional Bodybuilding/Fitness Contests here in the States are not utilizing any of the Women Bodybuilders besides the men?

Just curious & Please let me know, Thanks.

cbdetroit

June 5th, 2006, 04:46 PM

I was at the bookstore not to long ago and I noticed that MuscleMag International as well as Ironman Magazine has much better coverage of the Women's Hardcore & Drug-Free Bodybuilding & Fitness events but as far as their Swimsuit & Lingerie issues they need to add more FBBs other than bikini models & figure gals.

I guess it pays to not have the same owners such as Flex, Muscular Development as well as Muscle & Fitness.

cbdetroit

June 19th, 2006, 01:22 PM

Good News!! It seems that the first of Women Bodybuilders let their feelings show!! Major Love, Props & Respect to Cindy Phillips (Canadian Chick) for telling like it is to the folks over at Muscular Development for the lack of coverage of Women Bodybuilders in the last couple of years.

Cindy if you're reading this, you're my Hero period and I'm proud to be your fan.:) Beyond that I wished that more FBBs would have the courage to do the same things because they deserve to have positive recognition for their dedication to the sport.

cbdetroit

June 19th, 2006, 01:25 PM

Oh and Maxt I didn't know that you've moved to another state. Just like I said over at the AMI thread WELCOME BACK MAXT GOOD BUDDY!!

Go and check out this thread from back to the beginning so you could see what I'm talking about and then just let your feelings show Good Buddy!!

HOLLABACK YOU HEAR, PEACE!!!!

Maxt

June 19th, 2006, 02:24 PM

I'll do that CB, Hollllaaaahhhhback!

cbdetroit

June 19th, 2006, 04:30 PM

And trust me if you check out this thread from the begining on page 1 thru the current page you won't regret it and especially Tripper & Amazon Lover's posts makes Good sense as well.

Major Props to The General & to some of our fellow posters on this thread for telling like it is on behalf of our Heroes.

cbdetroit

January 8th, 2007, 09:29 PM

Bad News fellow FTV/Genex Posters (including The General), that over the weekend I've checked out the recent issue of Flex Magazine that had their special "22 Page Lingerie Edition" and inside it contains Beautiful figure and Fitness Women but unfortunately there's NO WOMEN BODYBUILDERS IN THAT ISSUE WHICH SUCKS!!!!

Don't the powers that be who publish that magazine know that there are just as many Beautiful, Attractive & Sexy Women Bodybuilders (including the Hardcore & Drug-Free kind) as there are in figure.

And it's like I've mentioned to the other posters last year in this thread is that there's no Hard Feelings against the Women who compete in figure because it's not their fault, but if you're going to showcase figure gals then it's only fair that Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women are showased just as much or even more so since Flex is a Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazine.

I could see why most of the other posters have given up on Flex for abandoning the Beautiful Women of Bodybuilding for having way too much "figure" on the Brains. Magazines such as Flex, Muscular Development (MD) as well as Muscle & Fitness have been critized by Hardcore Female Muscle Fans for their lack of Showcasing FBB's/Fitness Women in favor of Men's Bodybuilding & figure.

Maxt, Ibarramedia, Amazon Lover, Shadowman, Dalberton, Mark000,Roman, Tripper, The General, Tjenks, Jasons805 or any diehard fan of Beautiful Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women please feel free to Holler, Peace. :( :confused: :mr-t:

ibarramedia

January 8th, 2007, 09:50 PM

When it comes to female bodybuilding my swimsuit issue is women's physique world. I read sports illustrated for my other sports. FLEX magazine went down the tubes since the wieders sold it. I do not even read it anymore.

cbdetroit

January 8th, 2007, 10:50 PM

I agree with you Ibarramedia, Good Buddy.

But to me Flex, Muscular Development (MD) as well as Muscle & Fitness used to be cool up until they no longer showcased Bill Dobbins (who by the way takes some of the Best Women's Physique Photos in Bodybuilding & Fitness (Along with Gene, James, Physique Art-Mike, TomNine, George Legeros, Reg Bradford) as well as Steve Wennestrom's Flex-N-Femme then it really went down the tubes.

Planet Muscle is the same as the others mostly, Men's Bodybuilding & Figure but no Women Bodybuilders which is very Sad. I've said it before and I'll say it again Women Bodybuilders (including the Hardcore & Drug-Free kind) & Fitness Women needs Love too.

Only MuscleMag International as well as Ironman (not to be confused with the Marvel Comic Book) Women's Physique World & Muscle Elegance showcase Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women's contest coverage and beyond.

So fellas if you want to give another opinion than please feel free to Holler, Peace.

cbdetroit

January 8th, 2007, 10:51 PM

I agree with you Ibarramedia, Good Buddy.

But to me Flex, Muscular Development (MD) as well as Muscle & Fitness used to be cool up until they no longer showcased Bill Dobbins (who by the way takes some of the Best Women's Physique Photos in Bodybuilding & Fitness (Along with Gene, James, Physique Art-Mike, TomNine, George Legeros, Reg Bradford) as well as Steve Wennestrom's Flex-N-Femme then it really went down the tubes.

Planet Muscle is the same as the others mostly, Men's Bodybuilding & Figure but no Women Bodybuilders which is very Sad. I've said it before and I'll say it again Women Bodybuilders (including the Hardcore & Drug-Free kind) & Fitness Women needs Love too.

Only MuscleMag International as well as Ironman (not to be confused with the Marvel Comic Book) Women's Physique World & Muscle Elegance Magazines showcase Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women's contest coverage and beyond.

So fellas if you want to give another opinion than please feel free to Holler, Peace.

LarryN

January 11th, 2007, 09:28 PM

I agree, no doubt. Swimsuit and lingerie editions used to feature women like Ericca Kern, Sharon Bruneau, Debbie Muggli, Melissa Coates, etc. They were the essence of sensual symmetry and should be the standard for "muscle mags" to feature.

Musclemag does feature Fbbers in swimwear and lingerie. Mellissa Coates, Sharon Bruneau and a few others have appeared in recent issues.

Larry

LarryN

January 11th, 2007, 09:34 PM

If that's the case then that's where Maxim, Playboy, Hustler, Penthouse, FHM, Stuff, American Curves and Muscular Development's magazines "D-cup girls" are primarly for those Male Individuals who want to see plenty of T&A.

Now I'm not going to make a derogortory or sexist remark but biologically what separates Men from Women as far as being attracted to the opposite sex is visual stimulation period (and this includes all ethnic and social groups).

If it looks good then Most Men would attracted to that particular person, item or thing and they will persue it and embrace it. But if it doesn't look good then then most Men would not want to have anything to do with it.

Remember this phrase that I've mentioned last year during BoomBoomRoom's "Dating a FBB" thread, That "Pretty People are attractive to Pretty or Prettier things". Everyone wants a Cadillac, Lincoln and Mercedes but not a hooptie (jalopy).

And also like I mentioned on to Tighthat on page 2 that I find it very funny that Women talk about that they don't want to touch a weight because they don't want to look like Men but no, they don't have a problem wanting to have nice Abs/Obliques, Shapely Arms/Shoulders, Tiny/Waspy Waistlines, A Tight firm Butt and Shapely legs which are all identified with Women's Hardcore Bodybuilding for years. And remember this fellow posters, If it wasn't for Women's Bodybuilding, you wouldn't have Fitness or figure period.

I've mentioned before that the powers that be has done a grave mistake for omitting Women's Bodybuilding from Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazines and remember folks not, again not all FBBs are this big, scary looking, unfeminine as what the "higher ups" that run the federation, Bodybuilding magazines and supplement companies talk about. Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women are again among the most Beautiful on the planet and they deserve a fair shot period, they've paid their dues everytime that they gone to the gyms.

And again don't tell me that no Man is attractive to the Women who competed in Hardcore Bodybuilding & Fitness. There's plenty of guys out there that are dating, intimate and/or married to FBBs, and they're mostly other Bodybuilders, Football players, Wrestlers, Powerlifters, Personal Trainers even some other FBBs and every once in a while an "average joe" with, or without money if he's lucky after all opposites attract.

And as for me I give any Women Bodybuilder & Fitness Women the Love, Props & Respect for the Hard Work, Time, Dedication, Commitment and Sacrifice that it takes to build their bodies because it didn't happen over night. Women Bodybuilders are "Gifts From God" and deserved to be cherised.

And to all of the Magazine Publishers out there, have a open mind and put Women's Bodybuilding back full time in the Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazines (including the Swimsuit & Lingerie issues) you'll be glad that you did, Peace.

CB I plan on shooting Tatiana Anderson for some magazine submissions later this year. I think she has a great look.

LarryN

January 11th, 2007, 09:58 PM

Hey LarryN wouldn't you agree not just only a professional photographer but also a fan of Female Muscle, wouldn't you like to pick up a swimsuit or lingerie issue from a Hardcore Women's Magazine that contain Beautiful Women Bodybuilders that are just as Beautifully Aesthetic, Marketable and Attainable as the figure gals.

And Larry from most of my posts since being a member of these Forums I make no bones about it that I prefer Women Bodybuilders over figure Women even though the Women who compete in figure are Attractive & Beautiful, my first LOVE without a doubt goes to the 1st Ladies of iron, FBBs.

Figure ladies pretty much belong in magazines like Shape, Oxygen, Maxim, Sports Illustrated (SI). And FBBs Belong in the Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazines. And again I remphasize if you're creating a Swimsuit/Lingerie issues for a Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazine, you better have a whole Lot of on or near contest shape FBBs in there. Wouldn't you agree Larry?

When I go to the bookstore and purchase a Bodybuilding Magazine I expect to see Women Bodybuilders 1st and formost. Then the Fitness Women. But what do you think Larry? Inquiring minds would like to know, Peace.

I would love to see more FBBs in magazines. Some that come to mind are Amanda Dunbar and Amanda Trent. I would also love to see more "unknown" fbbers in magazines too ( a good example of one that did make it into those mags was Deven Jones).

Infact I would love to shoot more, if I could. However, any gal (it doesn't matter if they are a bodybuilder, a figure competitor or a fitness competitor) has to make a judgement call on whether or not they want to travel out to the locations where these photographers live. Alot of people assume that these photos you see in magazines are taken in LA or Miami. They are quite surprised when I tell them that this is not the case. Alot of the photos that you see in magazines are taken in places like Toronto, Red Deer, Fullerton, Daytona beach or Stateline. LA is no longer the mecca for photo shoots. There are alot of costs involved with photo shoots for models and they have to determine if any benefits that they get from shoot are worth the cost.

cbdetroit

January 17th, 2007, 04:12 PM

CB I plan on shooting Tatiana Anderson for some magazine submissions later this year. I think she has a great look.Hey LarryN, As far as Tatiana's concerned I do not know anything about her, so she must be new on the scene here within the North American Bodybuilding scene. But I'm looking forward to seeing the article when it come's out.

I'll also will mention that I'll be Glad when Muscular Development (MD) would get an open mind and to begin showcasing Beautiful Hardcore & Drug-Free Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women in their Magazine's Because I've checked out a recent issue of FLEX at one of the local Bookstore's here in Metro Detroit/Southeastern Michigan and it still contains Male Bodybuilders and Figure Women but not enough Beautiful Women Bodybuilders.

If Bill Dobbins ever does an article for Ironman, MuscleMag International or even Muscular Development Magazine's then I'll be ready to make a purchase because he's one of the Best Physique Photographers in the business plus I've purchased his photobooks:"The Women" as well as "Modern Amazons" which contain some of the Best photos in Women's Bodybuilding & Fitness.

If anyone knows of anymore positive results then feel free to Holler because inquiring minds would like to know.:D

LarryN

February 9th, 2007, 10:42 PM

Hey LarryN, As far as Tatiana's concerned I do not know anything about her, so she must be new on the scene here within the North American Bodybuilding scene. But I'm looking forward to seeing the article when it come's out.

I'll also will mention that I'll be Glad when Muscular Development (MD) would get an open mind and to begin showcasing Beautiful Hardcore & Drug-Free Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women in their Magazine's Because I've checked out a recent issue of FLEX at one of the local Bookstore's here in Metro Detroit/Southeastern Michigan and it still contains Male Bodybuilders and Figure Women but not enough Beautiful Women Bodybuilders.

If Bill Dobbins ever does an article for Ironman, MuscleMag International or even Muscular Development Magazine's then I'll be ready to make a purchase because he's one of the Best Physique Photographers in the business plus I've purchased his photobooks:"The Women" as well as "Modern Amazons" which contain some of the Best photos in Women's Bodybuilding & Fitness.

If anyone knows of anymore positive results then feel free to Holler because inquiring minds would like to know.:D

Tatiana has been on the National scene for about 3 years. She will probably turn pro in a year or two. You can check out her new website www.tatianamichelle.com (http://www.tatianamichelle.com/)

cbdetroit

February 10th, 2007, 12:19 PM

Thanks LarryN for the info and I'll be Glad to check it out. :)

Grant

February 11th, 2007, 04:50 PM

Maybe a large part of what I have to say will repeat everyone else, but not quite all of it. First, I've also been completely fed up, forever, with seeing those covers, and the contents of the magazines, with no actual FBBs in them. The thing is, like a lot of others here, I have a very great attachment for not only fitness models, but so-called skinny women, right ALONGSIDE FBBs. But that doesn't stop even me from turning away from those covers. So, for someone who DOESN'T like "skinny waifs" to get so mad about those covers says a lot, but for those of us who DO like "skinny waifs" to get so mad about them, really UNDERLINES it. In others words, ignoring those covers, all joking aside, is like making a "sacrifice," but I'm willing to make it, because that's how hateful this "snubbing" of FBBs IS to me. It just occured to me, but there's maybe one obvious "parallel" to this, and that's women's basketball. For a couple of years, that subject was all the rage, in and out of the sports world, but now, as far as I know, the bottom has fallen out of that. I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's gone from being a huge pop culture subject, all the way to the other extreme of being ignored by a large part of even the BASKETBALL world! And that's probably SMALL compared to the way countless people in the bodybuilding world are when it comes to FBBs, because they probably treat it as some "quaint" early ' 80s-early ' 90s thing. (And almost the moment people associate something with a particular DECADE, they get really unimaginative about it - as in, "Nobody does THAT anymore!".) There's one other slightly strange thing. From what I've heard (not being an actual reader), FBBs have fequently appeared in Playboy. As I've said on other sites, I've always had a "problem" with this, because I've always had a huge hang-up about that subject, one that has a lot less to do with the MAGAZINE than with people's "attitude" toward it - instead of just being famous, it's always been treated as a sort of be-all and end-all when it comes to titillation (or whatever you want to call it), so that someone attractive somehow hasn't really "arrived" until she's become connected with it. So I've always HATED hearing that bit of news about an FBB (like Joanie Laurer, for instance), because to me, it's like hearing that FBBs are one more thing being "swallowed up" by that whole "Playboy" world. But, having made that complaint, it's interesting that SOME magazine (other than WPW, obviously) has paid attention to them in the past few years. But it's kind of sad if you can sometimes find them in Playboy, but not so often in actually BODYBUILDING magazines!

cbdetroit

February 18th, 2007, 08:55 PM

First off I wouldn't knock any FBB for posing in Playboy because I myself have had the issue with Raye Holitt back in the Mid-90s as well as the Chyna issue in which both photos of the Ladies was tastefully done just like in Bill Dobbins book's "The Women: Photographs of The Top Women Bodybuilders" & "Modern Amazons".

Now if you're refering to photos that's more X-rated (Hustler, Cheri, Oui) than what's mentioned, then you would get no arguement right there.

Plus slowly but surely there's getting to be a backlash against the skinny/waif models in the magazines & the runways in favor of more curvy (not fat/obese) Women to promote their fashions & products.

And as far as Bodybuilding Publications goes, if it's in a Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazine then FBB's should be showcased more so than figure.

But if it's in Magazine's such as Oxygen, Self, Shape then I could see more Figure Women being showcased in those periodicals since they would appeal to more of an Attractive Woman with a Athletic physique that's not too muscular for the Mainstream.

Grant

February 18th, 2007, 10:42 PM

Actually, my problem with the whole "Playboy" thing has nothing to do with whether it's tasteful or not (even if it SHOULD). It's just that, ages ago, Playboy became TOO MUCH of a huge icon, like Seinfeld for sitcoms and so on, so that I've never had to hate IT, to hate hearing about that so many times. Plus (and this is getting into another area of the subject), so far from wanting FBBs to be completely "accepted" by the world, I've always liked the idea of them, and their fans, being a kind of world to themselves (not completely, but largely). So (not to belabor the subject), for me, that whole Playboy-FBB connection always feels like the "opposite extreme" of that. (TOO MUCH acceptance, in a way. Which, for me, clashes a little with the whole "non-conformist" image I have of FBBs.)

cbdetroit

March 6th, 2007, 04:47 PM

I have a couple of issues of Muscle Elegance Magazine & videos from them along with Women's Physique World/Ray Martin as well and I'm going to rehmphasize that just like those issues of Playboy is mentioned the photos is tastefully done and as a matter of fact this past Weekend at the Arnold Sports Festival (aka the Arnold Fitness Weekend) Denise Masino competed and was also at the Bulk Nutrition booth at the Arnold Expo and after returning to competition for the 1st time in a couple of years I told her that as A long time fan of the sport I'm glad that she's brought back Her Beauty, Grace & Style to Women's Bodybuilding.

Now not to knock anyone's opinion about any FBB's/Fitness & Figure Women doing nudity because I have no problem with what they do in there personal lives.

But I will say this that this is a "double-standard" that it's ok for folks including some of the posters at this forum to come down on Women Bodybuilders, Fitness & Figure Women doing Nudity or Adult Films but no one will say jack if a Male Bodybuilder was doing any porn. Go Figure. If you're going to slam the Women then be "equal opportunity" slam the Fellas as well.

Now to put this thread back in a Positive light, I want to mentioned that like I've mentioned at "The 2006 Arnold Fitness Weekend/Ms., Fitness & Figure International" thread that I've found out that Muscular Development (MD) is going back to showcasing Women Bodybuilders again so I will give them their respect for seeing the light.

Also I've gotta thank my Hero, fellow poster Canadian Chick (Bodybuilder Cindy Phillips) for helping to give them a reality check last year because again not to knock the Figure Ladies: They're Beautiful, Attractive & Sexy as I witnessed at this weekends Arnold's, but Women Bodybuilders (including the Hard-core & Drug-Free kind) as well as Fitness Women need Love too.

Thank's for the Good News from Debbie Bramwell, Colette Nelson & Buffdoll (Melissa Dettwiller) this past weekend at the Arnold Expo. And for a long-time fan of Women's Bodybuilding & Fitness like myself, I'll be very Happy in the Future.

I'm sure that The General as well as The "SHADOWMAN" would be Happy as well. So folks make sure that you buy Muscular Development (MD) in the Future because it will be well worth it.

I know that I will be making my purchases as of that magazine as well along with MuscleMag International, Ironman Magazine, Muscle Elegance & Women's Physique World magazines to give my Heroes there Love & Support.

After Attending this past weekend's Pro Ms., Fitness & Figure Internationals as well as checking out the Arnold's Women's Amateur Bodybuilding contest is living proof that the Ladies is living proof that Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women are very Beautiful, Classy & Sexy and deserves Good Positive Coverage in the Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazines beyond contest coverage including the Swimsuit & Lingerie editions.

cbdetroit

March 6th, 2007, 04:51 PM

Also I've found out at the Arnold's that A Good number of Women Bodybuilders have dropped their subcriptions to Muscle & Fitness as well as Flex Magazines for their weak (or no) coverage of Women's Bodybuilding.

So fellas who are true Women's Bodybuilding & Fitness fans, you're not alone.

Grant

March 7th, 2007, 12:03 AM

Again, at the risk of sounding awful, I hope there are ALWAYS people who hate or ignore FBBs (in a roundabout way, that's just a mark in FBBs' favor!). I just wish those people didn't have so much INFLUENCE. And when they can influence magazines DEVOTED to the subject of bodybuilding, that's EASILY too much!

cbdetroit

March 7th, 2007, 12:25 AM

Obviously Grant, I don't know you but it seems to me that you Hate the "Ladies of Iron" and you're entitiled to your opinion but as far as I'm concerned FBB's deserve Good Positive Coverage in the Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazines period.

And also no offense but since you feel so strongly about what you feel then you should post a thread for nobody but the "haters" of Women's Bodybuilding & Fitness and see what kind of response that you'll get.

As for me I would like to keep the thread in a positive & constructive manner. Thank You, Peace. :)

Duckbump

March 7th, 2007, 06:40 AM

Grant

March 7th, 2007, 08:43 AM

I meant just the opposite things. I was referring to that common situation of liking something to begin with, but liking it EVEN MORE when it's picked on or ignored by a lot of people. Which makes you feel like YOU'RE "on to something" by liking it! That's why I sometimes ENJOY hearing those "she looks like a man" kinds of cliches - not because they're right but because they're wrong. So that's all I meant.

cbdetroit

March 30th, 2007, 05:42 PM

I can almost guarantee if you increase the coverage of women's bodybuilding, even more readers would drop the magazine.No offense Duckbump, but just like I've told Dalberton over at "The Most Beautiful and Outstanding Vascular Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women" in The Fan Forum is that you've seem to call yourself a fan of Women's Bodybuilders but I seriously doubt it.

Plus if you would to get the "Right type of Women Bodybuilders" that's more Attainable instead of the Mass Monsters that almost ruined the sport.

Having Beautiful Women Bodybuilders that posses Beautiful Symmetrical Feminine Proportion will always Generate Good Positive Feedback Period.:)

The Bottom line folks is that Women Bodybuilders (including the Hardcore & Drug-Free kind) and Fitness Women need LOVE too.

diggs

March 30th, 2007, 10:50 PM

No offense Duckbump, but just like I've told Dalberton over at "The Most Beautiful and Outstanding Vascular Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women" in The Fan Forum is that you've seem to call yourself a fan of Women's Bodybuilders but I seriously doubt it.

Plus if you would to get the "Right type of Women Bodybuilders" that's more Attainable instead of the Mass Monsters that almost ruined the sport.

Having Beautiful Women Bodybuilders that posses Beautiful Symmetrical Feminine Proportion will always Generate Good Positive Feedback Period.:)

The Bottom line folks is that Women Bodybuilders (including the Hardcore & Drug-Free kind) and Fitness Women need LOVE too.

I apologize, cbd. Maybe I missed something.

Is the phrase the "Right type of Women Bodybuilders" yours or duckbump's?

Cuz I wanna join in on the beatin' and I wanna know who to hit.

:3stooges:

cbdetroit

April 1st, 2007, 08:26 PM

I apologize, cbd. Maybe I missed something.

Is the phrase the "Right type of Women Bodybuilders" yours or duckbump's?

Cuz I wanna join in on the beatin' and I wanna know who to hit.

:3stooges:LOL I like the 3 Stooges ending Diggs. It takes me back to when I used to watch them on TV back in the day.

And you don't have to worry about giving me the Beatdown because most of the Pro & Amateur FBBs & Fitness Women know that I'll always have Props, Love & Respect for them period.

But Beyond that I was referring to the more Symmetrical Women Bodybuilders whom I believe is maketable like an Amanda Dunbar, Bodybuilding Beth (Beth Roberts), Nicole Ball, Debi Laszewski, Christine's Sabo & Moore, Sophie Duquette, Cathy LeFrancois, Autumn Raby, Lisa Aukland, Carla Salotti, Sherry Smith and Colette Nelson as some examples of Beautiful Women Bodybuilders that could be positively showcased in any Hardcore Bodybuilding's Swimsuit & Lingerie Editions other than just the figure gals.

And as far as Fitness Women goes that are Marketable: Mindi O'Brien, Jen Hendershott, Kim Klein, Adela Garcia, Tracey Greenwood, Heidi Fletcher and Angie Semech are some Good choices as well.

Like I said Women who are Beautiful and just like their Women BB counterparts, these Ladies could be positively Showcased in those same issues as well.

It's like I've mentioned before, If you're going to showcase figure in those Swimsuit & Lingerie Editions of those magazines then it's only fair that our Heroes (Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women) deserve to positively showcased just as much as the figure gals.

They're the most Beautiful Women on Earth as well as "Gifts From God".

Now Diggs, wouldn't you want to spend your $5.00 on a Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazine's Swimsuit or Lingerie Edition that contains photos of anyone of the Women that I've mentioned? I know I would.

Please feel free to let me know, Peace. :)

cbdetroit

April 6th, 2007, 08:22 PM

Atttention Fellow posters, Siouxcountry has given some Good news about a proposal for the Staff at Muscular Development to come out with a Women's Bodybuilding Magazine which would be Cool.

Feel Free to give a Shoutout for our Heroes (Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women) to give them all of the Love, Support & Respect that they Deserve.

Hopefully we'll get to see the folks at MD come out with a Swimsuit & Lingerie Editions with the most Beautiful Women of Bodybuilding & Fitness as opposed to the Drama that Flex has issued recently.

Women Bodybuilders (including the Hardcore & Drug-Free kind) and Fitness Women need Love too. :)

siouxcountry

April 6th, 2007, 09:35 PM

cbdetroit

April 10th, 2007, 04:41 PM

Hey You're welcome Siouxcountry Good Buddy. ;)

And for everyone else who reads this post, please feel free to follow Siouxcountry's lead because Our Heroes (Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women) need Lots & Lots of Loving in these Hard Times.

So go ahead and show some some support. :)

Juggernaut

April 17th, 2007, 03:27 PM

Female bodybuilders definitely need our love and support especially the ones like Betty Pariso who put every ounce of their energy into working hard to benefit the ladies and reflect their concerns with honest and sincere representation. I would like to see more female bodybuilders in the swimsuit editions of the muscle magazines no doubt.

dogbump

April 17th, 2007, 06:45 PM

I apologize, cbd. Maybe I missed something.

Is the phrase the "Right type of Women Bodybuilders" yours or duckbump's?

Cuz I wanna join in on the beatin' and I wanna know who to hit.

:3stooges:

It's his phrasing dumbass.

I like women bodybuilders and would subscribe to a womans bodybuilding magazine. Most people I've met do not like the look of women's bodybuilding. This forum is different obviously. I support it and defend it 100%. Just because I give my honest opinion that I don't think the magazine would do well does not mean I am all for it. :Popcorn2:

I would imagine that MD does not think it would do well either, or else they would have increased the coverage of FBB's or already started a female bodybuilding magazine. If they do start one, I will be the first to have a subscription. :lurker:

diggs

April 21st, 2007, 09:52 PM

It's his phrasing dumbass.

Thanks for the clarification, poopypants.

cbdetroit

April 21st, 2007, 10:14 PM

LOL, Like I was saying before it's a Good thing that Siouxcountry is doing the right thing and getting folks motivated to check out the Proposal for MD to continue supporting Women's Bodybuilding & Fitness just like the Magazine used to back during the Cory Everson/Lenda Murray eras and I Guarantee you that it will do well with core audiences.

Living proof just check out Muscular Development's Message Forums and you'll get the message.

Beyond that this thread is for the True Women's Bodybuilding & Fitness Fans out there that want to see true Justice for our Heroes, the Most Beautiful, Classiest & Sexiest Women in the World.

God Bless Them and like I've said before they need Lots & Lots of Love, Props & Respect for all of the Hard Work, Dedication, Time, Committment and Sacrifice that it took to Build their Bodies to the Peak of Perfection. :)

FemaleBodybuildingFan5

April 21st, 2007, 11:34 PM

cbdetroit

April 21st, 2007, 11:48 PM

First of all I'm not interested in any swimsuit issue, unless it features female bodybuilders. For them to publish it means nothing for me, since I don't care about those women.

I have a subscription to both Flex and Muscle Mag, and you know what I'm sick of. That the women basically get no exposure at all in those magazines. We got a guy on the cover all the time, and all articles are about the men. I could care less about mens bodybuilding. Sure I'll read the advice they give for my workouts. But what I'm looking for are some good articles and pic spreads from the women.

It unfair because how cool would that be to have someone like Cornelia Brandt or Dena Westerfield, on the cover of Muscle Mag or Flex. But the excuse that muscle mag and flex use. Is that the issue won't sell if they put a Cornelia Brandt on the cover.

Try and email them and I'll gurantee you that they won't answer. And even if you talk to one of the editors, they'll roll their eyes at you.

This is just sad...

You must be new here at the Forums, but for those of us that are die-hard fans as well as the FBBs & Fitness Women that I've spoken to by E-mail, FT Webcam as well as at Bodybuilding contests locally here in Detroit, at the Arnolds & IFBB North Americans have expressed wanting to see Beautiful Women Bodybuilders showcased in the Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazines beyond contest coverage.

Most Top Ranked Women Bodybuilders that I've spoken to have dropped their subcriptions to Flex/Muscle & Fitness for having way too much "figure" on the brains. But if you like Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women then you should check out Muscular Development (MD) because last month at the MD booth at the Arnold Fitness Expo in Columbus, OH; Colette Nelson, Debbie Bramwell & Buffdoll (Melissa Dettwiller) has told me the Good News that The Magazine this year is going to go back to showcasing Beautiful Women Bodybuilders and I've bought an issue and I plan on purchasing the May issue with IFBB Pros Denise Hoshor, Sarah Dunlap and Nicole Ball so it's worth a look.

I'm sure that Diggs, SHADOWMAN, The General, Tripper, Roman and other Women Bodybuilder Fans will agree that Women Bodybuilders (including the Hardcore & Drug-Free kind) and Fitness Women are "Gifts From God", The Most Beautiful Women in the World and Need Love too. Peace. :)

FemaleBodybuildingFan5

April 21st, 2007, 11:57 PM

You must be new here at the Forums, but for those of us that are die-hard fans as well as the FBBs & Fitness Women that I've spoken to by E-mail, FT Webcam as well as at Bodybuilding contests locally here in Detroit, at the Arnolds & IFBB North Americans have expressed wanting to see Beautiful Women Bodybuilders showcased in the Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazines beyond contest coverage.

Most Top Ranked Women Bodybuilders that I've spoken to have dropped their subcriptions to Flex/Muscle & Fitness for having way too much "figure" on the brains. But if you like Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women then you should check out Muscular Development (MD) because last month at the MD booth at the Arnold Fitness Expo in Columbus, OH; Colette Nelson, Debbie Bramwell & Buffdoll (Melissa Dettwiller) has told me the Good News that The Magazine this year is going to go back to showcasing Beautiful Women Bodybuilders and I've bought an issue and I plan on purchasing the May issue with IFBB Pros Denise Hoshor, Sarah Dunlap and Nicole Ball so it's worth a look.

I'm sure that Diggs, SHADOWMAN, The General, Tripper, Roman and other Women Bodybuilder Fans will agree that Women Bodybuilders (including the Hardcore & Drug-Free kind) and Fitness Women are "Gifts From God", The Most Beautiful Women in the World and Need Love too. Peace. :)

Your right on the money dog I am new here.

However I will check out that magazine you suggested. But it's funny how Flex and Muscle Mag are like the big bosses of BB mags. Yet they refuse to showcase the Female Bodybuilders.

cbdetroit

April 22nd, 2007, 12:10 AM

Your right on the money dog I am new here.

However I will check out that magazine you suggested. But it's funny how Flex and Muscle Mag are like the big bosses of BB mags. Yet they refuse to showcase the Female Bodybuilders.Also FemaleBodybuildingFan5, you should check out fellow poster Tripper's photos from Flex Swimsuit Issue from back in the 1990's on page 2 of this thread to see where I'm coming from and why The General (who started this topic over at the Muscle Mayhem Forums), Tripper, myself and other folks who were disappointed in Flex/Muscle & Fitness decision to have a bad case of "figure" on the brains.

Also check out Amazon Lover's and Echo's posts of some more Beautiful Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women on pages 3 & 4 to get you Motivated.

In the meantime I'll be getting myself ready to check out the 2007 IFBB North Americans (Pro qualifer) this upcoming Labor Day Holiday Weekend (August 31/September 1) to see a Good number of our Heroes in all of their Glory.

Again, I must stress that this is not Hating or Attacking on the Ladies who Compete in the Figure division because yes they're Attractive but Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women needs Lots & Lots of Good old Fashioned Love, Props & Respect Period. :)

FemaleBodybuildingFan5

April 22nd, 2007, 12:22 AM

Also FemaleBodybuildingFan5, you should check out fellow poster Tripper's photos from Flex Swimsuit Issue from back in the 1990's on page 2 of this thread to see where I'm coming from and why The General (who started this topic over at the Muscle Mayhem Forums), Tripper, myself and other folks who were disappointed in Flex/Muscle & Fitness decision to have a bad case of "figure" on the brains.

Also check out Amazon Lover's and Echo's posts of some more Beautiful Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women on pages 3 & 4 to get you Motivated.

In the meantime I'll be getting myself ready to check out the 2007 IFBB North Americans (Pro qualifer) this upcoming Labor Day Holiday Weekend (August 31/September 1) to see a Good number of our Heroes in all of their Glory.

Again, I must stress that this is not Hating or Attacking on the Ladies who Compete in the Figure division because yes they're Attractive but Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women needs Lots & Lots of Good old Fashioned Love, Props & Respect Period. :)

Thanks Dude and Amen to that!!!!!

dogbump

April 22nd, 2007, 10:47 AM

:sprite10: Thanks for the clarification, poopypants.

Poopypants.....nice.

Check this out from GETBIG............

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=140045.0

Interesting opinions. I love this site by the way. :) :banana:

cbdetroit

April 27th, 2007, 08:11 PM

Nevertheless, I've still gotta Give Major Props, Love & Respect to my Hero, Canadian Chick (Cindy Phillips) for letting the folks know over at MD to have an open mind back in 2006, and that there are Beautiful Women Bodybuilders available for Positive exposure in the Magazines.

And I hope that in the future that they will be showcased within anyone of the Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazine's Swimsuit & Lingerie Editions then that will be everything would be Fabulous period. :)

Tre

April 27th, 2007, 09:01 PM

I have a subscription to both Flex and Muscle Mag... But what I'm looking for are some good articles and pic spreads from the women...
Does. Not. Compute.

cbdetroit

December 28th, 2007, 03:04 AM

I have some sad news fellow posters, I've checked out a recent Lingerie issue of Flex over at one of the Barnes & Noble stores here in Metro Detroit and still there is no Women Bodybuilders included because that Magazine still has "Figure" on the Brains.

Again no offense to the Ladies who participate in that division, they look Good, but based on the Growing numbers of new FBBs including the crossovers from Figure, I think it's time that these Hardcore Bodybuilding Magazines should have an open mind and Give Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women some Love and showcase them in both their Swimsuit & Lingerie issues flat out.

And I'm not talking about the Mass Monsters that almost ruined the sport either. (Again I'm not Hating, but it's just my opinion that's all.)

cbdetroit

October 25th, 2008, 09:39 PM

One of the posters has told me about Flex putting FBBs in their Magazine but when I've went to one of the local bookstores in my area, I've found out that it was just only a rumor and it's mostly figure gals & no Women Bodybuilders.

Again I was dissapointed. Oh & I'm not purchasing their Swimsuit or Lingerie issues period until this is corrected in the future. :)

ibarramedia

October 27th, 2008, 11:50 AM

Speaking about swimsuits, there is talk of actually puttin in a swimsuit division in the contests...

cbdetroit

April 3rd, 2009, 08:34 AM

Yeah, I've noticed it firsthand over the weekend at the 2009 NPC Michigan Novice Bodybuilding, Fitness & Figure contest at the Redford Theater on March 28, 2009 and I was dissapointed that just Like "figure" that this new division is taking away Good potential Women from the sport of Bodybuilding at the local level which sucks.

If anything Myself along with a couple of People in the Audience thought that the new "bikini" division belong on any Sprink Break (including MTV), or Wet T-Shirt or a Beauty Contest since there's no Good Reason why it placed within a Bodybuilding Contest.

Just Like Figure Prejudging it's Boring. But if you plan on spending your Money at a Hardcore Bodybuilding Contest then you want to get what you pay to see Beautiful Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women in which Thank God there was some but again since the advent of figure, there were way too few Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women.

Hopefully next year there will be no more bikini division, but that's only wishful thinking on my part.

But Like I've said before Beautiful Women Bodybuilders (including the Hardcore & Drug-Free kind) as well as Fitness Women are My Heroes and they need Love too.:cool:

mikeylikes

April 3rd, 2009, 10:39 AM

cbdetroit

April 3rd, 2009, 05:34 PM

It is so refreshing to see you CBdetroit, come out and say what is on the minds of all of us female bodybuilding fans. Why the big push for bikini and figure competetions and competitors over the ladies who trully put the effort in the gym with hardcore training, eg. fitness and bodybuilding women. I too, find the judging for figure and now, bikini, to be a laugh. They all look the same! Let's stay firm in our support of the ladies who put on the muscle and give the extra effort in the gym and on stage. The magazines are pandering to the casual fans of the womens sport scene, who are intimidated by women with muscle. I wish a promoter of contests would come out and say, "SEX sells" and muscle does not. Then we can ask him why he feels that way and justify his comments.I hear you Mikeylikes. And by the way a Bleated welcome to the Forums.

Just to let folks know that NO I'M NOT HATING ON THE FIGURE OR BIKINI WOMEN but as a long time fan of both the Women Bodybuilders & Fitness Women that just Like The General who've I still Give credit for the creation of this thread as an outlet for Fans Like Myself who get tired of all of the Drama that the FBBs & Fitness Women had to endure because of creation this decade of the Figure & Bikini divisions.

Oh and Mikeylikes, when I've 1st started attending Bodybuilding contests back in the early 1990s at the Local level there were 3 Weight Classes including the overalls for both the Open & Masters Women Bodybuilders then by the Mid 1990s since the incorporation of the Fitness Divsion in the NPC/IFBB there were 6 Height Classes including the overalls.

And the Good thing about it is that neither division didn't cancel one out another. In other words both divisions coexisted. Right now because of the Cancelation of some of the Pro Shows with the Exception of the Resurection of the IFBB Tampa Pro Show Women's Bodybuilding for this year & in 2010, this bikini division is just as much as an equal threat to Women's Bodybuilding and Fitness as much as figure.

Already at last year's North Americans right after the Women Bodybuilders had their Prejudging, Most folks left during the Figure Prejudinging because it was boring.

The same thing happened during the Jr. Nationals Evening Finals that right after the FBB portion of the Show ended, folks left during the Figure portion because unless you know someone who competed, it was boring and not as exciting as it was with the FBBs & Fitness Women.

Like I've said before Beautiful Women Bodybuilders (including the Hardcore & Drug-Free kind) and Fitness Women are "Gifts From God", My Heroes, The Most Beautiful Women in the World and they need Love too. God Bless Them, Nuff said.:)